Level Syncing isn't the best solution

[Maeka]

Online != MMO.

MMO = Massively Multiplayer Online.

When you say MMO, you are talking about a "massive" amount of people (100+) in the same persistent game world.

A game like Warframe is not "Massively Multiplayer" (or at least it wasn't until Plains of Eidolon came out and even then that's debatable) because usually you get 1-4 Tenno in one mission and everybody sits in a lobby while they're not in a mission. That's just an Online game, much like Diablo or Borderlands.

An MMO game is where you interact with a game world that hundreds of other players also occupy and you will randomly see these other players during the course of play.

Mobile games typically don't have that, they usually have lobbies and matchmaking from my understanding.

[TaleraRistain]

It's been a bit since I've played, but I'm pretty sure EverQuest II lowers the potency on your skills when you sync yourself down to a certain level. You retain the abilities, but they're balanced for output at that level. It works really well and it's not game-breaking because skill ranges are set so you don't overlevel content.

[Darrcyphfeid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwTh5rC_ZE8

Looks close enough to an MMO to me that we'd be splitting hairs, but if this is an MMO it's also fair to say that a number of other games are as well. Doesn't really matter though, 'cause it also looks like complete garbage and shouldn't be directly compared to XI or XIV.

But if you want to, uh, this is by far the worst of the three? And XI is still the best. So yeah. I don't even remember what dude's original point was anymore.

[kikix12]

But if you want to, uh, this is by far the worst of the three? And XI is still the best. So yeah. I don't even remember what dude's original point was anymore.

Well, I've been playing a devils advocate, really. I don't even care about his point. I just brought up evidence that there are people that actually consider that an MMO despite what players here seem to think, and Perfect World (again, an MMO company) making that game implies very heavily towards that as well.
Heck. An official (Google Play link) source names it an MMO...

Does it help that guys argument?! Not really. Whatever is part of other games cannot possibly help anything as far as this game goes. That's why this game is this and that game is that. They are separate, keh.

[MomomiMomi]

The whole thing about whether Type-0 was an MMO or not was actually irrelevant to what his point was anyway, lol.

[SannaR]

Heck unless you use a story skip pot the stack circle shows up a few times during HW. Xephletol, Final steps of faith are two that I can think of. There are a lot of mechanics you see done more than once by the time you get to the end of 4.3 unless you story skipped. Anyway the whole I want to use all of my kit thing isn't going to work because at least for ARR dungeons trash dies too fast and is spread out enough that your procs will have timed out. The only place you'd even get a chance to see a good part of it is during boss fights. HW you might get to see a good chunk of it on trash and get more during bosses but again the spacing of trash in a lot of dungeons in HW isn't great. So unless your group speed runs and pulls everything up to a boss I can't see what you want happening. Also speed runs for a lot of new people isn't good just due to them not knowing what's going on or what to do. It also relies heavily on the tank and healer to be on point and know how to use their kit.

[khovel]

It can be done, all that would need to be done is sync level, but disable the disabling of skills based on level. The trick is convincing the Devs and their bosses that this is what the majority wants.

I for one would welcome this. If enough people can get on board with it, and can get this brought up in a Q&A with the powers that be, then it could gain some traction.

[silverlunarfox]

I think some people need refresher courses on the basics under 50.... even if they are 70....

Even so, I don't think we need to keep level 70 spells under 50. What about those that arent 70 yet? If youre bothered by not being able to use 70 spells...run 70 dungeons. problem solved.

I quite like losing spells/abilities personally. brings you back down to the basics which is never a bad thing.

[PyurBlue]

What about those that arent 70 yet?

Allowing the use of all your skills benefits them as well. With the proposed change, when they level up and unlock a new skill they'll be able to practice it regardless of where the roulette places them instead of forgetting about it and potentially skipping important knowledge about how their class works.

If youre bothered by not being able to use 70 spells...run 70 dungeons. problem solved.

The problem is that there are various reasons to run level synced content, but level sync is boring. The existence of level 70 dungeons is irrelevant.

I quite like losing spells/abilities personally. brings you back down to the basics which is never a bad thing.

Then we can make it optional like I proposed so that those who prefer the current system can still choose to sync. There isn't any real benefit to syncing and with the proper balancing of skills, having the full level 70 skill list won't make leveled players overpowered.

[SendohJin]

Then we can make it optional like I proposed so that those who prefer the current system can still choose to sync.

Unsync is already optional. you're asking to swap what the default is with what's optional, i don't see any overwhelming reason why.

There isn't any real benefit to syncing and with the proper balancing of skills, having the full level 70 skill list won't make leveled players overpowered.

i haven't been convinced of this "proper balancing of skills"

a SCH with Adlo and Excogitation is overpowered compared to a low level healer without them. how do you balance the shield? how do you balance Excogitation? does it shield for 1 HP and explode for 1 HP restored? why would anyone use anything balanced like that? how do you balance 3 aetherflow charges against a lower level SCH with just 1?

a WHM that can regen and apply Medica II is overpowered compared to a healer that can't. how do you balance the regen ticks? how do you balance instant cast Assize or Divine Benison?