Returning player (BETA & Initial release) Impressions and concerns.

[Northman]

FFXIV: Vince (Lindblum)
FFXI: Identity (Lakshmi)
AION: Vinceft/Arel (Israphel)
TERA Online KR: Arel (Mystel 미 스텔)
DBO: Arel (Saiyan)

I'm not addicted to MMO's... I swear...

Me too am hoping 2.0 would be gooooood. I have same opinion with you about everything except auction house. I think this existing is more epic and only needs some more functions. Weapons sold only in Uldah, armor, clothes in Grid, raw materials in Limsa and smthng else.

But during waiting time you maybe sd add one feather to your hat: TOR. After that you know where MMO is going. I have already four chars there, only two here. And I swear too. I have also my whole day job.

[kro]

What a lot of people don't understand in this thread is that it is perfectly acceptable to reassess the flaws of this game so that developers know they're on the right track.

OP made a lengthy, well-written post that identifies major problems that most of the current population tend to ignore due to fierce brand loyalty. No one would write something like that without the intention of wanting to see this game improve, and the content of the post shows that he has read the announcements about 2.0. Therefore, it is incredibly rude to attack returning or new players with a vested interest in the future of this game.

Honestly, your best bet is to hope the community reps can filter the good feedback from the trash and ignore the trolls, blind fanboys, and OCD post count hoarders that can't be bothered to read anything longer than a one-line meme.

Oh official forums, how I loathe thee~

[Dreadnought]

ofcourse i agree with a lot of what you said. after all, they are all the reasons why this game was deemed a terrible mistake by the entire world and why its one of the smallest communities in existence.

in order to continue playing you have to find things about the game that you do enjoy. i like looking at my character sometimes. its also fun to low man dungeons with friends you know outside of the game.

response times to me are unacceptable so i wont even bother with Ifrit and Moogle sounds a bit like an old FFXI type of NM boss which i dont even believe should be allowed to be liked.
im curious as to how the new jobs are gonna be so ill be sticking around.

[Picoman]

OP needs to realise that 'we' the current and past players are already aware of everything that he has written.
In fact we have known since we logged in on 22nd September 2010, when we all realised that we had been given a copy of the Open Beta in our CE box.
That is why Tanaka is gone.
That is why Yoshi-P gave us the decision to 'drastically change Eorzea' or not through the Players Polls.
Thats why we are getting 2.0

You have done a good job of describing the current state of the game (which is far better than launch).

So given all this, what is the point of your thread again?

[Merylstryfe]

I'm not going to bother quoting people, but;



But anyways, as I said. The "It's changing in 2.0 thing" is all good. But I've already read everything, and stand by my original statements and complaints. Yes it's changing, but in nowhere does it state specific design qualitys, just promises without definition. Part of what makes games great is the developers having things to consider when developing. You think if every person just said "It sucks" and left it at that, they'll just automatically create the best possible solution in 2.0?

I find it funny that most people will say they enjoy the game the way it is and tell people to leave when they voice concerns, yet can't wait for the upcoming patch they're so quick to give to people as an answer.

So which is it? Are you blinded fanboys that will take what you can get or paying customers that request only the top quality for ungoing subscriptions? MMO's start with the voice of the customers, and they're a key aspect in making the game grow and florish. If you are so quick to accept everything, you'll get the product you desire; a game in its current state that will never attract new players and continue to sit under 100K subscriptions worldwide until they've lost so much money that they'll likely never consider another MMO.

If you really thought this thread was an unconstructive complaint without definition then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Your comment about people saying the game is good but being excited about the patches is a bit narrow minded. Can a person not honestly like a game, but be excited for additional content and more depth?
The thing about MMO's is that they all are constantly evolving; it is the responsibility of the player to look at how far a game has come and, if possible, see a roadmap of where the game is going, and make a determination whether they like the game or not.

For many of us, Since Yoshi-P took over, we've seen some drastic changes, and our complaints (many of which you stated, such as server side action queues, and repetitive maps), have been DIRECTLY addressed, even going so far as to show concept and in-game shots of the changes. While you say that's an easy fix (I'm guessing you work in the IT field?), from my experience when you build a game online client, one of the very first decisions that is made is how much of the game is handled server side. Obviously, they made a bad decision in FFXIV, and will be addressing it when they roll out 2.0.

One final note; no one, not a single person, just "accepted the game as it was," there were several polls taken by the dev. team regarding what we wanted changed, which is why they talk about the sweeping changes coming in 2.0. The reason many people defend the game right now is because we've seen how far its come, and paid attention to where its going, and like other posters have stated, since Yoshi took over, he hasn't let us down.

[Chinook]

I'm ashamed of the FFXIV forum community and hope no potentially new/returning player reads this thread.

[Abauge_Goga]

You guys keep talking about 2.0 like it's a damn miracle pill. That patch is almost a YEAR away. We already been playing for 1 year, and now we are paying for 1 year.

What will happen if 2.0 doesn't deliver everything as promised? People will stay and hold their breath until 2.1. SE is really good at this, feeding us a little bit at a time just so we don't go starving, but we never know when we are getting a full meal.

OP had a few good valid points, especially the wards system. It is terrible, it takes way too long to research/sell stuff, then you all have to repeat if your stuff doesn't sell because someone drops the price on you. SE needs to admit it is garbage and come up with a new one.

I am playing and will continue to play it because, despite all the issues this game has, it is still playable. This doesn't mean I am fully happy with it, SE needs to do a lot to fix it.

I just don't like when people say 2.0 will fix everything. I heard it all before on every single patch to date.

[Brigandier]

Bawwwww

Got sour news for you bro. As long as you're paying, SE is going to assume you are happy. Playing the "this game sux!" card while being a paying subscriber just doesn't drive the point home. The only message you send SE is "I'm gonna cry about shit constantly while I give you money". Emphasis on the bolded part, since that's all they care about.

I suppose you could ask me "Well then, why are you still playing?". I'm building up my gil/levels for 2.0, and in the event they don't hold to their promises, I'll be leaving for Guildwars 2 or whatever decent MMO is out at the time. For as cheap as the game is right now (and lack of other MMOs I want to play), it provides sufficient entertainment til then.

[Gramul]

Got sour news for you bro. As long as you're paying, SE is going to assume you are happy. Playing the "this game sux!" card while being a paying subscriber just doesn't drive the point home. The only message you send SE is "I'm gonna cry about shit constantly while I give you money". Emphasis on the bolded part, since that's all they care about.

Considering what happened with the Global Merger, I'm going to have to consider your opinion a little off base.

And to continue, 2.0 will have the world change along with many other features and will be expanding and worked on through the months past its initiation. I consider it a miracle patch enough because my biggest concern was with world design. Having it being directly adressed in a huge story driven cataclysmic update is all I could ask for.

[Brigandier]

Considering what happened with the Global Merger, I'm going to have to consider your opinion a little off base.

SE only backpedaled because of the intensely huge amount of "SE's breaking our community I am going to quit playing" (bolded part read as "quit paying") posts. If you take time to notice, they didn't give a crap about non-paying players getting shuffled off to random worlds either, until paying people threatened to leave over it.

Ultimately my point is this: Why should SE bother to fix anything when there are so many people paying them for the product as it is? Sure, they have made a few changes here or there in the name of quality customer service, but no one can deny the huge sweeping significant changes are a result of quitting players. If you're such a monument to "letting SE know that the game sucks", you would have quit ages ago. You're not fooling anyone, including SE. If you're still here playing and paying, you must enjoy the game in some way.