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  1. #41
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    MysteriousRonin's Avatar
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    Natsume Shinto
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss View Post
    Archer does amazing DPS for one reason.
    It needs a consumable to to it's job.
    If archer had unlimited arrows it's damage would need to be nerfed by a ton.


    That said I like archer how it is.
    Good for you, but ARC and Bard are the classes I want to play and I can't because I'm neither a rich merchant or a high level gatherer / crafter. I'm sure it's the same for a lot of people.
    (3)

    A reader lives a thousand lives, the man who never reads lives only one. - George R.R. Martin

  2. #42
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    Syris's Avatar
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    Syris Flinn
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    Sargatanas
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempast View Post
    That's right, you can farm anything you'd like for the same amount to buy those arrows that's how a market works! Congratulations!
    Your missing the point. What encouragement is there for people to craft those arrows if they are going to be a loss of profit? And for people saying you can simply gather the mats needed to make the arrows, those players will be loosing a profit to be gained in order to play the class [which is essentially the same as purchasing the arrows yourself + hours of gathering.] So its a problem and the point still stands, ARC is a gil sink no matter which way you approach it.
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    Last edited by Syris; 02-14-2012 at 07:47 AM.

  3. #43
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    Rhomagus's Avatar
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    Rhomagus Asclepiot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asiaine View Post
    Everyone is happy... except the monsters...
    I lol'd irl
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  4. #44
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    AmandaHuggenkiss's Avatar
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    Amanda Huggenkiss
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syris View Post
    Your missing the point. What encouragement is there for people to craft those arrows if they are going to be a loss of profit? And for people saying you can simply gather the mats needed to make the arrows, those players will be loosing a profit to be gained in order to play the class [which is essentially the same as purchasing the arrows yourself + hours of gathering.]
    Most people I know who are selling arrows are grinding EXP off of them and selling them is just a bonus.
    There are much better ways to make Gil. (and you don't need a high level craft to do it)
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  5. #45
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    Syris's Avatar
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    Syris Flinn
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss View Post
    Most people I know who are selling arrows are grinding EXP off of them and selling them is just a bonus.
    There are much better ways to make Gil. (and you don't need a high level craft to do it)
    Yeah your right, all I'm saying is that when playing ARC your "cost of living" is much higher.
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  6. #46
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    Fiosha_Maureiba's Avatar
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    Fiofel Zalalafell
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 1
    Warped arrows! Graaar! Barebones dps until you can afford the best... Around! Nothings ever gonna keep ya down!

    On a slightly more serious note, I would like to see a quiver of unlimited arrows. Reduce damage if you have to balance with directionless combos or keep the damage and add other prequisites to combo.
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  7. #47
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    Kinseykinz's Avatar
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    Isagael Rose
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    Sagittarius
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Syris View Post
    BUT WHYYYYY?

    Seriously though... Why?
    Because:
    1. No one is forcing you to play the class
    2. No one is forcing you to equip the best arrows (warped arrows can be bought from an NPC on the cheap)
    3. You are not limited to one class...so you can rank a gathering/crafting class to either directly farm the mats for (and have a friend craft) or craft your own arrows OR craft/gather something else of value and use the profits you make on that to buy arrows.
    4. As someone else pointed out, if gil really is an issue and people need you to go archer on an event, tell them, they might help you out.

    I understand the frustration if you like archer...I am leveling it too and no, I won't solo-archer often as a rank 50 because yes, it costs money and I can solo just as efficiently on my CNJ/THM without wasting money. This being said, Archers would be FAR less happy if they lost their damage but had free arrows vs. the current system. But the reality is this: GLA/MRD spend ALOT on Materia/Gears because they need good gears that are made out of expensive mats. Mages have the same issue (felt is still pricey on my server). If food/potions become user-friendly...esp if there are hp/mp refresh items, mages and tanks will be semi-required to use them all the time. Archer gear is in the medium expense bracket. So yes, your ammo cost money...but other classes spend money too...on different things and in other ways. Lastly, if there were more people farming the mats/crafting arrows, the price would be lower and less of an issue. The bigger issue is a supply/demand problem and not a 'how the game works' problem.

    So again, while I understand why people'd like the 'unlimited' arrow, I'd rather the awesome damage and gil sink than no gil sink but weak damage.
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  8. #48
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    YukiKoneko's Avatar
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    Carbuncle Plushy
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Rant mode...
    Wow... just wow. Go farm your gil and pay for the arrows please. Until they stop magically refitting armor worn by a lalafell to fit everyone else, how else can a crafter expect to profit even a little. You kill a monster, you not only get exp, but gil from the spoils, so why is it so awful when a crafter does the exact same thing? A shellmate of mine made a very good point, if you want to level ARC, level BTN and CRP at the same time. I might add, you'll still need BSM or ARM to smelt the ingots, and MIN to obtain that ore. But hey, at least I can't rip you off with my ALC selling whatever strange rare glue needed anymore right?

    Kind mode:
    Ok, think of it this way. You go to the store to buy milk and cereal for breakfast. I dunno about you, but I prefer eating organic so that's pricey. Should I be upset over this? In the real world, making these myself is basically out of the question. I hope that helps show that even in the virtual game world, you have better options, but if you want it right now and don't want to put forth any work to get it, someone will always be happy to accept payment.
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  9. #49
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    Amanda Huggenkiss
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    Sargatanas
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    Samurai Lv 93
    Quote Originally Posted by Syris View Post
    Yeah your right, all I'm saying is that when playing ARC your "cost of living" is much higher.
    It's the price you pay for doing good damage from a safe distance.
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  10. #50
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    Eldaena Vonxandria
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrien View Post
    new player or old. When you're out or low on gil, and cant buy ammo, you cant play the class you want.

    I never personally seen an Archer shoot blanks before, but I have seen them shoot lightning bolts, and magical arrows in other mmo games that consumes mp.
    If gil is your issue go farm the mats.
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