So at the risk of getting bullied for 'complaining' I'm going to offer the feedback someone who works a full time job, has a family and has been playing since 1.0.

First and foremost, because this is what some LOVE to hassle people about, I'm not opposed to the grind. I've completed multiple relics in ARR and HW and spent hours in Anemos actually having fun and I'm 4 lvls short of having my main at 70 on everything. I don't expect anything to be handed to me. Period, end of story.

I don't mind working for things. I enjoy the challenge, what I don't like is what Pagos has done to me. I HATE it with a fiery passion; to the point that I've just given up at lvl 35 with 2 Louhi ices, 11 frosted and 488 Pagos crystals.
The thought of going back knowing that I'll spend 3 hours killing the same mob over and over and over again while seeing maybe 5 Fates, is disheartening. (yes, this is after the supposed NM 'nerf')

And on top of that the idea of getting more than one relic is out of the question. (Here's where I'm going to be told to do Savage content - and here is where I say that I do and it isn't really about the ilvl of the weapon, but rather the fact that I got a cool shiny new sword)

I would assume that the idea for the low drop rate of EVERYTHING is that this is only for the weapons and to keep people busy between content lulls, but this isn't fun. This is another job and not a fun one. This is that soul stealing job you've been looking to leave forever and just can't seem to find a new one.

If this is supposed to be the 'alternative' method for getting higher level weapons for people not wanting or able to do Savage (some people can't fit raids into their schedules), then Pagos really isn't going to fit well with them. One of my FC people said that if you straight up did nothing but grind light, you could get 1 to 2 frosteds and hour, best you can hope for it is 15.5 hours. More than likely you are looking at something more in like with 29-30 hours. This is a job.
  • Light needs to be seriously rethought. I just reached 35 and have 11. We should at least have enough for 1 relic by the time we hit 35. I would be far less disheartened if I wasn't looking at another grind on top of the grind to 35.
  • Louhi Ice - why 5 and have him drop 2??? This makes no sense, what are people supposed to do with that extra ice? Get another relic? ((see comment about light))

I want to fuss about Pagos crystals, but really, by the time I manage to amass enough light for one weapon, I'll have enough crystals.


((oh, and I could deal without the one way cliffs in the new Eureka, even at 35 they are torture))