Its ffxiv combat really so slow and boring?

[KaldeaSahaline]

I have to disagree; it’s different on a psychological level. I enjoy having to move my thumbs all over my controller; it keeps me engaged in combat even if it’s something like a dungeon where things are extremely simple. Pressing 1-1-1-1 until my thumb falls off is not engaging.

When I’m caught in a situation where I’m spamming the same button over and over again—we’ll use Pagos on a healer as an example: Aero III > Aero II > Stone IV > Stone IV > Stone IV > ad nauseam—I start to check out mentally. And I stop paying attention to the combat at hand, especially if it’s something mind-numbing that already required minimal thought. The PvP combo system in PvE would have the same effect on me, as well as take away the ability I currently have on my main (BRD) to manipulate my rotation in situations where fights call for it.

The only way I would take this system (begrudgingly at that) would be if they allowed for customization in the combos (so I could have ones or create ones for instances where I am manipulating songs from the normal Minuet > Mage’s > Army’s), and if they gave me enough oGCDs to weave. However, considering so many were removed with SB (along with DoTs to upkeep) in order to simply the jobs, I doubt that this would be the case.

Did you read the 2 above sentences from the one you quoted? I covered that it would be more boring, but that it was a symptom of the shallow combo system rather than the hotkey method. I even offered 2 different suggestions for changes.

[HyoMinPark]

Did you read the 2 above sentences from the one you quoted? I covered that it would be more boring, but that it was a symptom of the shallow combo system rather than the hotkey method. I even offered 2 different suggestions for changes.

Yes, I did. I’m arguing about how it is different on a psychological level: for me, more movement for my fingers means more engagement in the combat; I feel more engaged. Less movement (akin to hitting 1-1-1 which is physically different from 1-2-3 if we want to get super technical/pendantic) means less engagement; I don’t feel engaged. You’re arguing that claiming there’s a difference “is silly”; I’m arguing that I disagree, because there is a difference: physically (on the technical level) and psychologically.

If you say that the combo system is boring, why advocate for a system that is going to further dumb it down? Not saying that you specifically are, but for the sake of discussion: why advocate for something even more monotonous that what is already present, if you think the combat system is currently boring and/or unengaging, and that this new system could potentially make that glaringly obvious.

I also explained the only way in which I would accept such a system—you would have noticed that one is in line with your additional oGCD suggestion.

Bard does NOT have a combo. We're not talking about player-decided combos. We're talking about the actual combos that have:
"Combo: X Potency" or "Combo: Add X effect."

Bard...does...not...have...a...combo.

I’m aware. No need to enunciate each word. Calm down, please.

The premise is that, more than likely, the developers would just copy the systems over from PvP into PvE rather than design from the ground up, especially if there were new jobs that they had to consider as well. Considering this, it is very much possible that they would force the current PvP combos onto a job that has no combo, or lump all of BRD’s songs into one button for this whole “save button space” that you are advocating for. That would take away my ability to freely manipulate songs, which is something that you do.

So use a different argument. One that is not entirely subjective. Or if your only argument is either subjective or outright wrong (because it's not related to what was suggested)...then I guess, agree to disagree?!

I didn’t know I needed your approval for which arguments I can and cannot use. Why don’t you just agree to disagree with me—as you are advocating—instead of getting all heated? It’s quite clear we don’t see eye to eye, and continuing this back-and-forth is nothing more than a waste of daily post counts reiterating the same thing over and over again, and with no new development in a conversation that is already a tangent. It’s why I didn’t respond to your previous posts to me (inb4 I’m accused of “ignoring” you again).

Personally I react the exact same way to 1-2-3 or any other repetitive combination. Using keyboard for the past twenty years without looking at it, I don't even notice a difference between which finger I use for what button, so three consecutive buttons are one and the same to me.

You say not to use subjective arguments... but here you are using one yourself.

Player experience in the game is a subjective measure. Why gamble at making it boring for players just to save hotbars space on very few jobs (and only a couple buttons at that)? It’s generally a good idea to not fix something that isn’t broken, because it usually just leads to problems later on—one being “we didn’t want this change anyways, so why is it even here”.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Yes, I did. I’m arguing about how it is different on a psychological level: for me, more movement for my fingers means more engagement in the combat; I feel more engaged. Less movement (akin to hitting 1-1-1 which is physically different from 1-2-3 if we want to get super technical/pendantic) means less engagement; I don’t feel engaged. You’re arguing that claiming there’s a difference “is silly”; I’m arguing that I disagree, because there is a difference: physically (on the technical level) and psychologically.

If you say that the combo system is boring, why advocate for a system that is going to further dumb it down? Not saying that you specifically are, but for the sake of discussion: why advocate for something even more monotonous that what is already present, if you think the combat system is currently boring and/or unengaging, and that this new system could potentially make that glaringly obvious.

I also explained the only way in which I would accept such a system—you would have noticed that one is in line with your additional oGCD suggestion.

To clarify - I am pretty sure we're on the same page and in agreement. I may be wording poorly.

1-2-3 and 1-1-1 are identical for all intents and purposes from a complexity/depth perspective, I may not have been clear on that. The order of presses never changes. It's never 3-2-1, or 2-1-3, etc. However, I did cover (and you acknowledged and agreed) that it would definitely be more boring (as you mentioned psychologically speaking).

I would not advocate for switching to PVP system WITHOUT corresponding updates to other systems.