How to deal with non contributing players

[Corvanther]

So you need a few xp, or a last couple tomes so you head into path of the dead, or heaven on high and there he is. The guy who runs like his ass is on fire to the transfer point. Fighting only whatever is in his way. Then he parks himself in the transfer circle, activated or not. He does not fight, he does not pick up silver boxes. Sometimes he even idles on the floor ten boss. He basically soaks up levels and weapon / armor upgrades and gives you nothing. Yet everyone accepts these guys. Sometimes there is two of then, or god forbid three and you are the only one fighting or getting the upgrade boxes while they just stand there.

It irritates me greatly. So I thought of a few solutions to this.

1. If you are in the room with the transfer circle and others kill something / loot a upgrade you get nothing. Orignally this was the circle itself, but then they would just park themselves right outside it and idle there.

2. If you are more then a room away you get nothing. KR - ER - FR Bob kills a minotaur in KR if you are in ER (Empty room) You get the upgrade or 2/3 xp if you are in the far room you get nothing.

3. Attack / contribution timer. If you have not gone into combat, or picked up a box in a certain amount of time you get an increasing penalty to xp and no upgrades at all. Go long enough and you start to loose weapon /armor points, XP is really rather meaningless down there as much as they hand out.

I am sure there will be people who whine about having run both places til their eyes bleed and they are bored with it so they idle. So what? If everyone helps clear a floor it goes a lot faster then you sitting there like a lump. We -all- hate it at this point, but we do it for whatever reason.

How many times have you done your roulettes and went oh my god Satasha AGAIN!? Do you stand at the entrance and just soak up tomes and xp? Of course not. You kill / heal / tank so everyone can get through this hellish nightmare and move on. Same with PotD and HoH. Help us all get on with our virtual lives just a bit faster will you? Thanks.

[Dzian]

1:- just have it work on whether a mob is tagged by them in any way. (this is actually a bad idea because of casters but could probably be tweaked somehow) failing that just kick them or stand next to them till they get the hint.

2:- I wouldnt like this personally and i know a lot of my friends would hate it. maybe in matched groups it'd be acceptable. But in fixed parties definitrely NO. when my friends and I group together we usually split up and head in different directions to grab chests and clear a floor faster round up any aggroing mobs and melt them on the portal once weve got the chests. . so it would suck if i've gone south and got a silver and the guys that went north dont get it... because there more than one room away.

3:- same deal here as with number 1. stuff in potd hoh generally melts so fast casters would be at a continuous disadvantage... even with insta cast dots mobs would be dead befroe they even land a tick of damage..

[SenorPatty]

My solution is to generally call them out and see the party reaction. If the others agree that the guilty person is not contributing (and they keep doing barely little), I launch a vote kick as soon as I'm able. If I see the party sticking up for such a person, then I don't take chances and I'll either leave or have them kick me, also as soon as possible.

[Astrus]

If players behave like bots, that is making a beeline to an inactive portal and then ceasing all activity, I have no qualms about kicking them or leaving the group myself if the former fails. That's just sabotaging the run and borderline griefing in my opinion.

If it's people making a beeline for the portal once it's activated we're back to the old deep-dungeon discussions that boil down to differences in playstyle, both sides have their arguments. In that case I'll just follow along with what the majority of the other three players want.

[ElazulHP]

I've been in a party with three of these types people before and quite suddenly I developed an interest in exploring every single room, getting every single chest, and killing literally everything on the floor taking as long as possible each floor. lol...

[SenorPatty]

I've been in a party with three of these types people before and quite suddenly I developed an interest in exploring every single room, getting every single chest, and killing literally everything on the floor taking as long as possible each floor. lol...

That's diabolical.




I love it

[silverlunarfox]

I've been in a party with three of these types people before and quite suddenly I developed an interest in exploring every single room, getting every single chest, and killing literally everything on the floor taking as long as possible each floor. lol...

Ive done this. It's quite effective at making some of them leave. But I also like shiny so that doesnt hurt XP

[kikix12]

Refusing to participate in content (as in, bolting straight to the portal and not doing anything other than self-preservation) is against ToS. It won't help YOU while it happens, but reporting that player may help people in the future.

If such actions would be properly reported and ToS properly enforced, people would stop doing such stupid things. If you're bored of the deep dungeon then don't use it, simple. Normal dungeons offer perfectly fine experience as well at all levels. Just go for the highest one available and you'll be able to switch em every four-six runs, I reckon.

[RiyahArp]

Normal dungeons offer perfectly fine experience as well at all levels. Just go for the highest one available and you'll be able to switch em every four-six runs, I reckon.

..and when you get reported because 3 people want to speed run it for exp and you keep straying off to other rooms to get chests? You have to be careful not to weaponize reports too much; they should only be a last resort after actually talking to a person then kicking them, i.e. using the tools at hand.

[KisaiTenshi]

..and when you get reported because 3 people want to speed run it for exp and you keep straying off to other rooms to get chests? You have to be careful not to weaponize reports too much; they should only be a last resort after actually talking to a person then kicking them, i.e. using the tools at hand.

Indeed. Too much of the game already allows people to troll others, especially since that one GM said "playstyle differences" were a legit reason to kick someone. The problem is that the decisions that go into kicking are often not about completion but because of a desire to speedrun or some irrelevant rank on a statistics site.