Eureka and combat thoughts

[MoroMurasaki]

Combat in the game is very fast paced. Fight in eureka or any boss battle and see for yourself. How many street fighter combos need to be made to finish a battle? To me its unnecessary.

Listen, all in saying is that combat can feel just as epic and satisfying... Maybe even more, if combat was slower. Combos can actually mean something rather than the spam fest it is now.

What classes are you actually playing?

I would agree that some dps classes have burst windows that are quite fast (at least compared to my time spent healing) but those windows also tend to feel meaningful and not like a 'spam fest' so... I don't know what you're doing here.

Like BRD. Minuet feels like a time crunch because you're trying to use PP stacks at the right times while still getting off BL, EA and using Barrage at the right time during Raging. But when you do it right you also burst for a large amount of damage and it feels exhilarating.

I feel like perhaps you should experiment with some alternate classes. BLM has a very low cast per minute, it might feel a bit more like the gameplay you're looking for.

Either way - no, please, I don't want combat slowed down at all. It's fine where it is.

[Jib]

Combat in the game is very fast paced. Fight in eureka or any boss battle and see for yourself. How many street fighter combos need to be made to finish a battle? To me its unnecessary.

Listen, all in saying is that combat can feel just as epic and satisfying... Maybe even more, if combat was slower. Combos can actually mean something rather than the spam fest it is now.

I don’t agree that this game is very fast paced. I’m a filthy casual that has completed all ex trials and some savage. I do agree that the bosses are many times tactic intensive which having a gcd of 2.5s helps. I believe it is fine as it is.

But comparing to other games like WOW, Swtor,... trinity based mmorpgs, great number of them have a gcd of 1.5s, so actually much faster.

I think I do understand a bit where you are coming from. If you said just in Eureka to try something different like that. I might say “ok”. In my opinion Eureka can’t really get much worse so.. maybe yes.

Making the whole of FFXIV slower though, I fully disagree.

[KaldeaSahaline]

What I mean is that instead perhaps include a option to make battle take less button mashes but result in damage commensurate to those that are at the default speed. Perhaps a higher cool down between combos but successful execution offers significant damage?

There are a couple of issues with this statement:

1) You think that there should be an option where you can put in less effort (less button presses) and it should reward performance (damage) identical to players who are putting more effort in?

2) When you say "successful execution" you are talking about pressing 1,2, and then 3 even more slowly than you currently are? You feel that being rewarded "significant damage" for a mind-numbingly trivial task is appropriate?

Look at how eureka works. That type of zone works best with that style of combat.

You believe that Eureka, something that is extremely polarized among the community would work "best" with even slower combat?

How? Please go into details/specifics.

Combat in the game is very fast paced. Fight in eureka or any boss battle and see for yourself. How many street fighter combos need to be made to finish a battle? To me its unnecessary.

Listen, all in saying is that combat can feel just as epic and satisfying... Maybe even more, if combat was slower. Combos can actually mean something rather than the spam fest it is now.

No combat is not "very fast paced". Neither objectively or among its peers. It's pretty universally accepted as one of the slowest modern MMO combat engines.

I have and I completely disagree with your statement. I wish and have even posited entire "what if" posts to how the system could be modernized and improved.

Please - go into detail when you say "combos can mean something". Give examples of what meaningful combos look like.

Eureka gives square the opportunity to test out something new. In my opinion, SE should be risky and play around with combat ideas there.

Fair feedback here. I agree.

But again, I've made several posts with concrete examples and methodologies behind how/why I want things changed. Why not go into detail with your feedback and actually explain how you'd like them to change it. Don't say just make it slower. Explain how it would be slower, and explain how it would impact other interconnected systems and how you feel those issues would be best remedied by your proposed solution.

[Wyvernheart]

I cant sry i agree with the OP idea. But eureka still has community. And it's much nicer then the one on this thread. I bet, as the game moves on you will still find people in there tying for that special gear like Optical Hat.

I've stood it before, the lady staged of this relic should unlock a weapon skill. Watch purple throw themselves at it.

[Wyvernheart]

Wait, i dont agree. Dont slow it down.

[midnitdragoon]

...none?

Go check eureka, it's a spam fest, especially for dragoon.

ok you go play in baby mode then. let the big boys play the game it was meant to be played.

That's not what I meant. Fight in eureka or any boss battle and see for yourself. How many street fighter combos need to be made to finish a battle? To me its unnecessary.

Listen, all in saying is that combat can feel just as epic and satisfying... Maybe even more, if combat was slower. Combos can actually mean something rather than the spam fest it is now.could be a interesting option for those that prefer slower combat.

[MoroMurasaki]

Combat in the game is very fast paced. Fight in eureka or any boss battle and see for yourself. How many street fighter combos need to be made to finish a battle? To me its unnecessary.

Listen, all in saying is that combat can feel just as epic and satisfying... Maybe even more, if combat was slower. Combos can actually mean something rather than the spam fest it is now.

Go check eureka, it's a spam fest, especially for dragoon.



That's not what I meant. Fight in eureka or any boss battle and see for yourself. How many street fighter combos need to be made to finish a battle? To me its unnecessary.

Listen, all in saying is that combat can feel just as epic and satisfying... Maybe even more, if combat was slower. Combos can actually mean something rather than the spam fest it is now.could be a interesting option for those that prefer slower combat.

You're saying literally the same thing over and over. It isn't more convincing the second time I see it.

[midnitdragoon]

You're saying literally the same thing over and over. It isn't more convincing the second time I see it.

Its called doubling down. I feel pretty confident about my opinion.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Its called doubling down. I feel pretty confident about my opinion.

Someone has to, I suppose.

Because most don't agree.

[Moomba33]

So what I'm getting from this topic is the tc doesn't enjoy the GCD in general and would prefer something slower paced like turn-based combat or old school XI where you build tp to use weaponskills so there's more weight to each action.

I can understand to an extent. I find I can't spend more than an hour or two in Eureka without my wrists starting to hurt from mashing out my rotation.
However I find it extremely unlikely that SE would modify the combat significantly as you risk alienating people that enjoy the game the way it is. Especially since many people coming from other MMOs already find the GCD too slow here.