Shinryu Normal...

[TaiyoShikasu]

Did Shinryu once for MSQ. I spent a lot of time dead, but it was a one shot. Did Tsukuyomi for MSQ day one and we had a near wipe that was healer LB3'd away. Again only did that once as I have no reason to run it more than that.

Either ya'll got some bad luck or...

[van_arn]

Did Shinryu once for MSQ. I spent a lot of time dead, but it was a one shot. Did Tsukuyomi for MSQ day one and we had a near wipe that was healer LB3'd away. Again only did that once as I have no reason to run it more than that.

Either ya'll got some bad luck or...

You'd be wise to go back and learn both fights, because you'll see them again.

If you don't know the fight, you didn't clear it.

[TaiyoShikasu]

In 5.0 perhaps as I have no reason to run trial roulette with a level 70 because tomes can be gotten from other and better sources. And even in 5.0, due to being overgeared for the fight even with level sync, the fight is going to be naturally nerfed as is any content due to gear alone.

Sure, I spent most of Shinryu on the floor not proud of that, but w'ever, but the point is that while OP and others want a year old trial that only someone who actually enjoys the fight would want to do more than once nerfed, it is being cleared in one go. And nerfing content into the ground doesn't absolve anything when even Bone Dragon in Labyrinth of the Ancients which was nerfed a whole lot can and will decimate groups that don't know what they're doing with the few mechanics that still need to be acknowledged.

It's less that content is difficult and more that people are just bad.

[van_arn]

It's less that content is difficult and more that people are just bad.

So go against the grain and don't permit yourself to be bad. Would be good if you could eventually help your mini-me through the fight, so they don't spend their time on the ground.

[TalithaSolarien]

You'd be wise to go back and learn both fights, because you'll see them again.

If you don't know the fight, you didn't clear it.

I would agree with you here but as the OP stated a few posts later there is a problem here: there is simply no reason at all to run those normal story trials again once you cleared them. They give no loot and the tomestone can be gotten easier. In a perfect world people would run them to train, but we don't have a perfect world and people need an incentive to run content. Which leads to a rather small pool of players running them and then mostly unexperienced players.

[van_arn]

I would agree with you here but as the OP stated a few posts later there is a problem here: there is simply no reason at all to run those normal story trials again once you cleared them. They give no loot and the tomestone can be gotten easier. In a perfect world people would run them to train, but we don't have a perfect world and people need an incentive to run content. Which leads to a rather small pool of players running them and then mostly unexperienced players.

First off, if you have no intention of running something unless you get a currency incentive, there's something badly wrong about the incentives for doing content in the game. I don't deny that's the case, exactly, but there are incentives outside of tomestones that really can't get overlooked-- your own familiarity with the game's content, for one, or your ability to adapt to terrible situations for another. If you limit yourself to currency only, then you're crippling your advancement in other ways.

Furthermore, if currency is the only thing you're after, you're going to eventually do roulettes. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but you're going to reach a point where you're going to do these trials in the future for current progression currency. Just like now you might get Final Steps of Faith now. It would behoove you to know how to handle the mechanics (even if not perfectly, just enough to stay off of the ground) so you don't stay face-planted every time you go in.

Nevermind knowing the mechanics in normal is always a solid hint for what to expect in Extreme. Point being, thanks to sync you are always going to see this content again. The more you try to avoid it, the more you'll notice it coming back to haunt you.

[TalithaSolarien]

First off, if you have no intention of running something unless you get a currency incentive, there's something badly wrong about the incentives for doing content in the game. I don't deny that's the case, exactly, but there are incentives outside of tomestones that really can't get overlooked-- your own familiarity with the game's content, for one, or your ability to adapt to terrible situations for another. If you limit yourself to currency only, then you're crippling your advancement in other ways.

Furthermore, if currency is the only thing you're after, you're going to eventually do roulettes. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but you're going to reach a point where you're going to do these trials in the future for current progression currency. Just like now you might get Final Steps of Faith now. It would behoove you to know how to handle the mechanics (even if not perfectly, just enough to stay off of the ground) so you don't stay face-planted every time you go in.

Nevermind knowing the mechanics in normal is always a solid hint for what to expect in Extreme. Point being, thanks to sync you are always going to see this content again. The more you try to avoid it, the more you'll notice it coming back to haunt you.

First, as this might not have been clear in my reply, I personally would agree with you treating these as a learning exercise. And in a perfect world you would have been right, but this is not a perfect world and FF14, as any other MMORPG out there is basically a big Skinner box experiment. We, as in most players, run the challenges mostly for the reward and only secondarily for the achievement.

That's the reason why so many players I know simply skip Trial roulette (I run these, but only as tank/healer). And if Steps comes I see a lots of mishaps due to people not knowing what to do there.

As for treating the normal trials as a testing ground for Ex trials: from my experience at trying to get Tsukoyomi Ex clear and running normal versions I would say that the mechanics are a bit too different to be helpful for training. But that might be my personal problem with that trial.

[NanaWiloh]

We should also nerf Ozma as well I mean to this day people still die to these things. (1. Eating meteor solo or not moving when targeted (2. Falling off the ledge (3. Moving/casting with the debuff (4. Taking the laser to face in phase in pyramid phase (5. Cube phase eating one orb then quickly eating another without waiting a few seconds for a heal. Then we got Forgall where people do these goof ups. (1. Take debuff when they shouldnt (2. Dont kill large adds fast enough (3. Dont stand in puddles or near clouds for debuff when they should. These two are easier then Shinryu normal and people are screwing them up should they be nerfed?? Sorry sarcasm is a little strong.

[TheMightyMollusk]

The Wiping City still lives up to its nickname. It's beautiful.

[TalithaSolarien]

As does Dun Scaith (or the Wipehouse) .... they might be casual content but people still forget that even there you have follow the mechanics :-)