Shinryu Normal...

[Duskane]

Just deal with it
Its nots hard

[Kurando]

It's been over a year and we still get Shinryu nerf threads?

At this point most players are overgeared that it's no where near as challenging as what it used to be. It's possible to get any trial these days and have wipes to still happen, Ravana, Nidhogg, Susano etc if there are enough new or inexperienced players in the duty, Shinryu suddenly isn't this big exception that needs a nerf.

If players don't want to do mechs in Shinryu, then I really wonder how they got so far in the game to begin with....

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Leave Ex mechanics in Ex mode, for those who can handle it and want the challenge, don't force it onto the entire player base.

You clearly have never touched an EX mode if you think Shinryu Normal has any difficult mechanics up to that level. With only one exception, every single thing he does has been done before in another fight, none of which were EX difficult. The only "problem" with Shinryu he people grew to expect easy hand outs and he demands you at least pay attention. Asking for nerfs is basically saying casuals are entitled to clear content because they want to regardless of whether they're willing to put forth an effort. And don't give me that trite they don't have time. It doesn't time much time at all to be competent. No one is expecting stellar, orange tier parses. They're asking you have a basic understanding of your job and a willingness to learn mechanics. I rarely take issue with someone learning, but a lot of these people don't want to learn. They want it easy.

Which is why this game grows so damn stale.

[Duskane]

I will say Tidal wave is the only bs move he has, since you dont know how to deal with it first time you see it.
Just trial and error.
But chain mechanic appears on the vault final boss
Stack mechanic in many raids and Nidohogg
Shivas ice
Wind that obviously will push you off if you dont move back into the middle
Slow charging move generally means big damage is coming ,its all basic stuff you should know playing this game.

I want Shinyru and Tsukuyomi normal to be standard difficulty for none ex trails

[ko_]

To make my last post clear. I understand running into these people who seriously make you wonder how i nthe world they live life. But it's like that or a good reason we have those people is because past content was nerfed because people cried about it. And it worked, so those people NEVER had to get good and no.. not get good. fuck dark souls. Those people never had to PLAY THE FREAKING GAME. Thats all Shinryu ask you to do.. is actually PLAY THE GAME. Asking for him to be nerfed is letting those players win... and we'll just be back here when SE makes another normal fight that asks you to play. So no nerfs.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Failing tidal wave is a given but its only once and in first 10 seconds. The difficulty is definitely not on extreme level and neither are the mechanics.

We finished it after 2 wipes in 4.0 blind but we do enjoy a bit of challenge and were on discord. None of us were raiders tho.

It doesnt always need to be faceroll. In almost all games you will meet an enemy that will trash you till you understand it.

[Mesarthim]

Shinryu normal does not need to be nerfed, people just need to learn how to play the game. Back when the servers were in Canada I played with 170ms and up, 200ms and over in that range is still playable for me (even if it makes certain dps classes a pain). I don't get what's so hard about certain mechanics for some people.

Tidal wave right at the start? Well most people would die to it the first time but it only ever happens once and it's ALWAYS at the start. Stand by it.
Judgement Bolt? Don't stand in puddles.
Hellfire? Stand in the puddles.
Meteors? Stand away from the pulses on the ground and in the case of every corner having one you stand inbetween 2.
Chains? Old mechanic from vault. Start near each other then run away from each other to break chains.
Permafrost you do not move or you will slide off. This mechanic comes from Shiva's standard difficulty back as far as ARR.
Aerial Blast? Just make sure that you don't get blown off and move closer to center.

In fact any time you see a message about his aether building up in the second half you get out of the center. Moments later he does a large aoe targeted at only the middle. Just move.

Few of his mechanics are even unique to this boss. On my second clear (both on healer and the second time was roulette) back in early 4.0 I had to healer LB3 TWICE in one run to save it and we still cleared. If Shinryu is too difficult for some people then put up a party finder advertising that you're new (bonus tomes, WT retry point etc). A lot people can and will assist.

I did all of the heavensward primals on extreme. Go ahead and do those synced (and around the same item level in their respective patches) and then come back to me about Shinryu.

[Caitlinzulu]

I can see wherethe OP is coming from. I would welcome harder fights but not in the storyline. Problem is you yourself can be more then capable to clear it but your clear depends on every other player being able to do their part. I still remember Crysalis and Steps of faith when they first came out which where 10degrees of frustration.
Also not everyone is capable of playing to the same level as the best players for whatever reason. People here saying the fight is easy well taken one at the time the mechanics are not hard but remember at the same time as noticing and reacting to the mechanics you need to do your rotation. And when mechanics start to come at the same time it can become hard to react to everything at once.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

helluuuuuuuuuuuu

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I can see wherethe OP is coming from. I would welcome harder fights but not in the storyline.

No, there needs to be more stuff like Shinryu in the MSQ. It's precisely because this game is so brain dead easy half the time people panic whenever there's a sudden spike. And it's why they don't bother learning. Going through Stormblood, you can pretty much do a basic 1-2-3-4-5-6 and clear almost everything. Susano and Lakshmi may be a little bit of a hurdle but not much. The lack of a proper difficulty curve is why the gap between player skill is so enormous.

Regardless, Shinryu is the final boss of the expansion proper. Back in Heavensward, we had Thordan who was a massive disappointment. He was so damn easy you could literally ignore half his mechanics and still win. Nowadays, people make a game out of how much they can stand in. He's that much of a joke. Hardly what I would call an epic conclusion for Heavensward.