Phoenix Down

[Luin]

Does it need to be marked as Unique?

It's restricted to party use only. You can only ever carry 1 at a time in instanced content, and it has negligible use outside of instances.

It's not really practical to rely on it. If we were able to carry multiples, it'd be a more popular and reliable item.

Looking at Eureka, where it's most useful, it's not going to be overpowered or break the game, or make healers or other jobs less desirable. It'll let more players go out of the way to help others, without forcing them to be on specific jobs. RDM will still be popular, since it can raise easily in combat, and healers obviously have the most utility. Will players be less likely to delevel, yes, but only because it's more convenient to help your fellow players, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

[Zyneste]

Been saying the same thing for a while lol. If they could add them to the eureka vender and allow them to be used on non party members, that would be great.

[Xau]

dunno, instead of making it unique, they could make what the cast time for using it could be larger than raise cast time to make raises still be more atractive, but make at the same time phoenix down a viable way to raise people in case **** hits the fan and the healer dies for some reason

[Tint]

dunno, instead of making it unique, they could make what the cast time for using it could be larger than raise cast time to make raises still be more atractive, but make at the same time phoenix down a viable way to raise people in case **** hits the fan and the healer dies for some reason

You can't use them while in combat anyway. So you HAVE to rely on healers where it matters.

However, having multiple Phoenix Downs would have saved one of my HoH runs. We were on floor 80+ and everyone except me was dead (I was the tank). I have already used my Phoenix Down before and there was a room packed with tons of enemys between me and the resurection lamp. So I had no other choice than using our last primal - Odin - to wipe out the floor to reach that lamp. Of course we wiped at the boss on floor 90...

Such a change would make content like this a bit easier, since the tank can survive where everyone else dies, and then after the fight can raise the healer without problems. But that's kind of niche and I don't know if this would be a good or a bad change, feelings are a bit mixed.

It's restricted to party use only.

I am pretty sure you can use it on non-party members. The restrictions are that you can only carry 1 at a time and that you can't use it while in battle.

[LineageRazor]

Heaven-on-High and Palace of the Dead, I think, are the main reason it's still unique. The later stages of those can be quite challenging, and that challenge is greatly lessened by giving all players effectively unlimited access to Raise.

[Brightshadow]

Heaven-on-High and Palace of the Dead, I think, are the main reason it's still unique. The later stages of those can be quite challenging, and that challenge is greatly lessened by giving all players effectively unlimited access to Raise.

Why do you think everyone brings a RDM to HoH, HoH and PotD have very cheap mechanics at times, if RDM can go in with a non-restricted raise then phoenix downs should have no restriction as well. No job should be required because of cheap mechanics.

[BillyKaplan]

But that's kind of niche

Phoenix Down itself is niche, but when you need it, you really could use more than one. The restriction is archaic when you consider how few chances you have to use the thing in the first place.

[Kleeya]

Why do you think everyone brings a RDM to HoH, HoH and PotD have very cheap mechanics at times, if RDM can go in with a non-restricted raise then phoenix downs should have no restriction as well. No job should be required because of cheap mechanics.

You seems to forget that rdm has a low dps and a lack of group-wide support buffs to compensate for his raise utility. Which is why it is not a welcomed job in some other content with people experienced enough to not die a lot, like savage raids. Bringing a rdm into your group for raises utility is no different to bring a tank so that someone can more easily withstand big damages in your place.

Also rdm's raises are not really non-restricted, it did happens to me quite a few times that other players were dying so often that i was nearly out of mana even with lucid dreaming on cooldown.

[Cabalabob]

They did mention in an interview that they were considering reworking the phoneix down to be a reraise effect, like the pomander of raising, personally I’d rather just see them made stackable, they’re not that big of a deal since they can’t be used in combat so I don’t see it having a huge effect on balance, less so than making it a reraise in fact.