Dragoon rotation... Really?

[Darkpaw]

the most complicated thing about dragoon rotation realistically is managing your raid buffs and using them optimally, because really.. weaving your ogcds in between skills isn't that hard.. i mean the only ogcds you are really weaving, life surge (should only be used with full thrust.. if im remembering correctly.)and your jumps, which we've been doing... since level 30 when you unlock the job. Just as life surge when up gets paired with full thrust, heavy thrust always starts out your chaos thrust combo. Now if you're argument is simply these skills not really being necessary and could be folded over to another skill or trait. sure there's a section of the community that feels that way. On certain jobs even I feel that way ((-coughcoughMCHcoughcough-)) but dragoon's timing and rotation flow really from what i've noticed isn't that bad.

[Frizze]

@Frizze - DRG rotation is straight forward at the most basic level, and HT is refreshed after every second combo:

Heavy Thrust > Chaos Thrust combo + 4th+5th finishers > Full Thrust combo + 4th+5th finishers > time to refresh HT again. All that's left is weaving oGCDs and other optimization things, but the basic GCD rotation is the same.

Yeah, thats more or less how i remembered it. And 10 GCDs would put the refresh shortly before the point that HT is about to expire. Like i thought, well timed. If the OP really has issue with this, pretend that HT is the "true" first move of the chaos combo and there shouldnt be an issue. Or does he skip that too because the full thrust combo has higher potency attacks(while ignoring bonuses from disembowel and chaos)?

[Eloah]

at level 70 Dragoon basically plays itself
id rather the job get a bit more depth then just removing heavy thrust and giving us another potency buff

Wait? How does it play itself? Not saying the job is hard compared to the others, since there is less weaving, but just curious what you meant?

[whiskeybravo]

DRG had a bit of depth in HW but people couldn't handle it.

[Kabooa]

DRG had a bit of depth in HW but people couldn't handle it.

Dragoon is the only job I can't get the basics down on in any iteration. Something about it just don't swing with me.

Theoretically I understand it.
Basic rotation of Heavy, Chaos, Full thrust.
Geirskogul > Jump > Spine since it lines up timers fine.
Life Surge on Full Thrust, but 5th combo is fine too if it comes up when you miss your FT window
Life of the Dragon at like 23+ seconds on Blood, spam Nastrond

But man

I just can't do it.

[whiskeybravo]

Dragoon is the only job I can't get the basics down on in any iteration. Something about it just don't swing with me.

Theoretically I understand it.
Basic rotation of Heavy, Chaos, Full thrust.
Geirskogul > Jump > Spine since it lines up timers fine.
Life Surge on Full Thrust, but 5th combo is fine too if it comes up when you miss your FT window
Life of the Dragon at like 23+ seconds on Blood, spam Nastrond

But man

I just can't do it.

Can't help you. I laid down the Gae Bolg in A6S and left it lol

I spent a lot of time trying to optimize DRG back then, it paid off in one fight at least. A lot of people complained about the Wheeling/Fang RNG and SE caved to make them regular combos (I guess, my DRG still 60!), that's what I was referring to mostly.

[Duskane]

Wait? How does it play itself? Not saying the job is hard compared to the others, since there is less weaving, but just curious what you meant?

You just keep heavy thrust and Pierce resist down/Dot up then use vorpal thrust combo while those are up
And use ogcd/Buffs accordingly.
Drg has alot of buttons but it has a set flow to it that is easy to get the hang of.

Hardest part of Drg is how jank dragon sight is (macro helps but its still tedious).

I didn't like how they removed Phlebotomize, because people said it was hard to keep all drgs stuff up and optimize then they made blood of the dragon easy to keep up anyway so wasnt much point.

[Eloah]

Drg has alot of buttons but it has a set flow to it that is easy to get the hang of.

I'm not so sure how to really process that response, since, well, it describes EVERY JOB.

I think this boils down to more personal adaptability more than anything else. Kabooa stated that they understand the job theoretically, but found it difficult to understand in execution, ie playing. Now while I don't know what jobs they are good at, I can say for me I get Dragoon, am I the best at it, like top tier, probably not, cause I don't min/max, but Dragoon is fine for me. Ninja and Monk on the other hand. Ninja I get theoretically, but to execute it is rather difficult for me. As or Monk, I got it in HW, kinda, but this new Riddle system confuses me to no end.

So yeah, I don't think there is an issue with DRG, as you may think. I think your grasp on how to play it is just too firm. To you, playing DRG is like Playing RDM; since RDM is so basic it can get incredibly boring after some time. It's not seen as weaving between different sections of the same whole, it's viewed as doing the same thing with skills C&D instead of A&B.

[24spencer]

this has to be bait, right?

[Jonnycbad]

I hope in the next expansion they remove Heavy Thrust and put the 10% potency buff on Vorpal Thrust. Also? Remove Impulse Drive and make True Thrust start both combos. Bam got rid of 2 buttons to make room for 2 new abilities while simplifying DRG rotation. You're welcome.