Throw us a bone (Pagos and the Rising)

[Aylis]

I'm tired waiting for this Rising event to spawn and I'm more than a little annoyed. Interested to hear peoples thoughts.

Just to make it clear: I believe that there is content that should be 100% left up to the community, like raids, instances in general.. I wouldn't want the devs to feel like they need to drop any hints for anything else. But the Rising event? Why? Why did it have to be so hard?

My thoughts are, it really feels like SE is exploring new inventive ways to use lock out mechanics to extend contents life till the next patch if you ask me. Maybe another method of using the "help the new players" line they like to throw around.

Problem: We only make two new dungeons a patch! People will grind them for a week for max gear and they will complain about lack of content! The dungeons will be ghost towns! Think of the new players!
Answer: Weekly totem cap.

Problem: We don't have time to add more then one raid every patch or two! People will blow through them fast to get fully geared and all the extras in no time! The raids will be abandoned! We must do something! Think of the new players!
Answer: Weekly loot limit.

Problem: Aenemos was over too fast! People were done in a week! Think of the new players that couldn't level in time!
Answer: Turn Pagos into this super high level mathematical algebraicly calculused infused trigonomarrific equation that would confuse even Stephen Hawking on figuring out the fastest most direct path for getting what you need.

Problem: Each new events all the players log in when its up! In 15-20 minutes they're all done! In a week no one is left to help the new players with the things and the FATES and the stuff!
Answer: YOLO! Lets make everyone keep logging in to check and run around looking for a random quest NPC spawn somewhere in the world.

I could go on with beast tribe quest lock outs, treasure map gathering lock outs, script quest weekly lock out, wondrous tales lock out. Here a lock out there a lock out everywhere a lock out. SE loves their lock outs and this feels like the next generation of lock outs, lock outs evolved.

[Tigerlilley]

While I agree that there your weekly limits are accurate, I honestly don't think the random NPC is like that. I think it's a server load throttle. Obviously, I have zero expertise or proof of this other than their instance queues in Stormblood broke on launch and a little bit throughout the expansion also. If it is a server load restriction, they really, really needed to post a NPC with a schedule instead of pretending it's some new fun thing.

[Aylis]

While I agree that there your weekly limits are accurate, I honestly don't think the random NPC is like that. I think it's a server load throttle. Obviously, I have zero expertise or proof of this other than their instance queues in Stormblood broke on launch and a little bit throughout the expansion also. If it is a server load restriction, they really, really needed to post a NPC with a schedule instead of pretending it's some new fun thing.

I do agree completely. If it was a server load thing the best thing to do was have it as a set time for the event to happen, all other times its closed. It's just that the current way makes it feel like its a new form of lock out. Just because you can't plan around it, you can't just log in and have it done when the servers go live. It keeps you and anyone who has yet to do it logging in and searching. That's why to me it feels like its a form of a way to extend the events life till the end.

[Stormfur]

I swear I remember reading something in an interview...something about Diadem and the "rules" that applied to it...and how it wasn't a good idea to let players just figure out everything in their own without a set of objectives because they'd all go off and do their own thing rather than have a structured attempt at whatever the game wanted them to do.

I mean, I'm all for figuring out things...but usually there are clues left to help guide us

[Alleo]

I agree with the OP and the sad thing is, at least with the rising they can just do secret changes (increasing the timer) and just go like "well you just did not figure it out, duh" while we will never know that this was changed..since they never told us the rules anyway..(isnt it sad that I would even see them do that?)

I also dont understand why not give us some riddles or anything to understand the spawning..if people have not found out the right way after such a long time then maybe your right way is just bad and need more hints..

[Mahrze]

Just to make it clear: I believe that there is content that should be 100% left up to the community, like raids, instances in general.. I wouldn't want the devs to feel like they need to drop any hints for anything else.

But the Devs in SE in general take this to the extreme and basically scapegoat themselves when they add things like these. Granted, in some content it's an interesting play that has some people praise it; but otherwise is: "SE, do you even?!"

[drgnmstr44]

I haven't even tried the rising event. I was doing pagos when it started trying to get to 35 thinking it would get better. It really doesn't. I'm stuck at the second step because now people won't even try spawning NM's. it's all about light. there are zero hints. no one really likes it. they had to make changes to it because it was broken and not working. I still believe it's broken and not working properly. reports of light are all over the place but everyone seems convinced sleeping dragons/anubys chain grinding is the way to go. If there's some trick, even a riddle won't help. They say the trick is to use mutations and adaptations, but that only seems to help with XP gains.

On the Rising, when it started everyone was angry the one quest chain was it. you couldn't get the tokens. we all thought it was broken. then pop, it's there. They really aren't doing anything to help with the longevity of the game. I'd rather stab my eyes out than do this. It's not friendly to the player base either. I really think they need to find somewhere between the extremes.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

I've even heard of people getting bright, brilliant, newborn star light ratings from pagos. I've never even had gentle, only feeble every time. I think light grind was intended to be much faster but it's too hard to understand when/how to attain best results.

Yeah! Killing mutated monsters above my level only gives feeble light gain.

The best I can figure is that you have to kill specific mutated/adapted monsters in specific weather while wearing Eurekan gear or something.

[Fawkes]

The best I can figure is that you have to kill specific mutated/adapted monsters in specific weather while wearing Eurekan gear or something.

Well, hidden stats on gear were pretty common in FFXI, maybe Eurekan gear has hidden light bonuses on it.

Also make sure you face east.

[Tigerlilley]

We spent literal days in there trying to figure things out. After that week what I learnt for sure is:

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