Battle Command Design -PLEASE FIX IT

[Answa]

The main reason it would help is b/c there's no practical way to figure out what you're looking at. I don't want to have to memorize pictures and icon designs. I don't want to rely on some black paragraph pop-up with .5 font to tell me what i'm scrolling past.

It feels like some primitive matching game. "K, green w/ an axe = big boom;" "Blue w/ a fist = heal;" "Yellow w/ a sword = me take hits long time," and so on... It's ridiculous.

And again, why does it have to be either/or? You said yourself, like so many other people did...Who doesn't like traditional FF RPG menu? It's win-win!

Hey, I'm not against it. I was just wondering, as it seems our current system would be the quicker one.

[Khal_Drogo]

Hey, I'm not against it. I was just wondering, as it seems our current system would be the quicker one.

Well, I hate to "beat a dead horse" or w/e that hick saying is..but! FFXI had a pretty flawless battle system for consol players. The macro system was set up really, REALLY, well; and they were able to keep the traditional FF menu display, which went a long way in capturing my interest.

I think it's safe to say that a pretty strong majority of the complaints out there are based from comparisons to FFXI. So, why not, at LEAST, try to appease both crowds? -Modern MMO players, AND "traditionalists" who usually favor XI > XIV.

[Rydin]

Well, I hate to "beat a dead horse" or w/e that hick saying is..but! FFXI had a pretty flawless battle system for consol players. The macro system was set up really, REALLY, well; and they were able to keep the traditional FF menu display, which went a long way in capturing my interest.

I think it's safe to say that a pretty strong majority of the complaints out there are based from comparisons to FFXI. So, why not, at LEAST, try to appease both crowds? -Modern MMO players, AND "traditionalists" who usually favor XI > XIV.

yea.... for the 300k people that played FFXI regularly....
Nevermind the 20 million RPG and MMO gamers who didn't

or the 6 million gamers that bought FFXIII

I do love a good menu based RPG.... I do....
But menu based battle just isn't conducive to real time fights
It works offline because you can stop the action at any time to input commands
or you can speed up or slow down battle to suit your tastes

FFXI had some great qualities.... More NM's and content than 4 offline RPGs put together.... Diverse content... long term goals....

the battle system though... is not one of it's selling points... period
In fact... Macro heavy battles are part of the reason FFXI wasn't the hit it could have been.
That type of battle turned A LOT of people off....
You can say "SE should please the FFXI crowd" but for every ex-FFXI player, there are 10 RPG gamers that SE wants to appeal to, and Menu based, macro heavy combat wont do it

Even FFXI enthusiast look back on gear change macros in battle with such disdain that even suggesting it in FFXIV would incite a riot

Lastly... on a personal note.... battle macros leave me feeling disconnected from battle.
Gone are the days when you "issue commands" to your character....
Now.. You ARE your character... down to every swing of the sword or spell you use
Menu based combat is as far inside the box as you can get....
Challenge your brain to think outside it

The current macro system doesn't toggle, so you can accidentally hit some other action, while you're trying to hit a macro, if you don't hold down the L2/R2 triggers very well. And it blocks the action bar, which is really annoying.

It absolutely toggles... There is a menu option that says... are you ready for this... "Toggle Macro Bar" under Configuration>system

You're Welcome

[Natabant]

the battle system though... is not one of it's selling points... period
In fact... Macro heavy battles are part of the reason FFXI wasn't the hit it could have been.
That type of battle turned A LOT of people off....
You can say "SE should please the FFXI crowd" but for every ex-FFXI player, there are 10 RPG gamers that SE wants to appeal to, and Menu based, macro heavy combat wont do it

That's your personal opinion; and XI probably did poorly b/c it was originally released to console. If it had been released to pc, originally, w/ a "tapped out" graphics engine, it would probably have made it up there w/ the, alleged, "greats." Anyway, OP doesn't want to *replace XIV's battle system w/ XI's...he wants to have the option for either. It's not asking for much.

Lastly... on a personal note.... battle macros leave me feeling disconnected from battle.
Gone are the days when you "issue commands" to your character....
Now.. You ARE your character... down to every swing of the sword or spell you use
Menu based combat is as far inside the box as you can get....
Challenge your brain to think outside it

Change isn't always better...I dunno why ppl think that "change" automatically = "win." The action bar isn't really "outside the box" either. Like you said yourself, virtually every other MMO out there already does something similar. So, that's a moot point.

It absolutely toggles... There is a menu option that says... are you ready for this... "Toggle Macro Bar" under Configuration>system

You're Welcome

Thanks for that lol...they either added it later, or I didn't bother checking.

[Dreadnought]

That's your personal opinion; and XI probably did poorly b/c it was originally released to console. If it had been released to pc, originally, w/ a "tapped out" graphics engine, it would probably have made it up there w/ the, alleged, "greats." Anyway, OP doesn't want to *replace XIV's battle system w/ XI's...he wants to have the option for either. It's not asking for much.




Change isn't always better...I dunno why ppl think that "change" automatically = "win." The action bar isn't really "outside the box" either. Like you said yourself, virtually every other MMO out there already does something similar. So, that's a moot point.



Thanks for that lol...they either added it later, or I didn't bother checking.

it isnt much of an opinion. the battle UI was criticized the world over by websites and gaming magazines for being clunky and was noted by critics for not having an action bar.

Having to switch between action bars is nothing like what most MMOs do. pretty much every single MMO in existence allows for keybinding abilities to other buttons beside 1-0. even buttons like - = , / ` [ ] ; ' and so on are able to be keybinded to get rid of the need for more than one action bar to scroll through. the current system isnt the worst in the world but its by far less accessible than pretty much any MMO i can think of.