Samurai?

[Hierro]

Guess that means DRG is bad since they don't help a raid's "defensive utility." Consider that a job doesn't have to interact with the raid to be good.

[Wayfinder3]

Guess that means DRG is bad since they don't help a raid's "defensive utility." Consider that a job doesn't have to interact with the raid to be good.

drg suffers from being subpar in prog too, but it at least has piercing debuff/litany to give it some merit, sam doesn't even have either of those

[Janhyua]

Guess that means DRG is bad since they don't help a raid's "defensive utility." Consider that a job doesn't have to interact with the raid to be good.

Dragoon has Dragon sight(5% damage to a ally) and battle litany(crit rate buff for party) and Piercing Debuff for bard

I think that enough to beat Samurai

lets be real here I have actually tested this

a 90% perf Samurai will never beat a Dragoon who is doing 50% perf because of its raid dps it provide because they get the same result

however when you have 90% perf dragoon its pretty much out dps a samurai who is 90% perf on raid dps

To actually qualify a Samurai doing its job he/she has to do at lease 85~95% perf to be not a dps lost for the party

[Megguido]

Dragoon has Dragon sight(5% damage to a ally) and battle litany(crit rate buff for party) and Piercing Debuff for bard

I think that enough to beat Samurai

lets be real here I have actually tested this

a 90% perf Samurai will never beat a Dragoon who is doing 50% perf because of its raid dps it provide because they get the same result

A 50th percentile DRG is around 5.5k DPS. A 90th percentile SAM is around 6.7k DPS. I'm not sure that Litany, Sight and Disembowel are a 1.2k DPS buff. Even in a very optimized environment, all of DRG's buffs are worth around 820 rDPS (taking one of Bacon Tomato Lettuce clear on O6S as an example). In our somewhat midcore static, our DRG brought about 530 rDPS.

At equal skill levels, yes, a DRG will bring more damage than a SAM (same goes for NIN). But better have a good SAM than a mediocre NIN/DRG.

Imo, SAM is better than NIN in a PUG group where no one's going to really take advantage of TA or Shadewalker. Also it's easier to play at a decent level.

[zuzu-bq]

SAM is a powerful job to play on Pick Up Groups. And ironically enough, a decent melee to do progression on since Diversion buffs making NIN's Shade not that godlike anymore. People will still shame on you forever, though.

[TaiyoShikasu]

SAM is a powerful job to play on Pick Up Groups. And ironically enough, a decent melee to do progression on since Diversion buffs making NIN's Shade not that godlike anymore. People will still shame on you forever, though.

Implying most SAM even use diversion.