Making Warrior's Butcher Block combo relevant

[Garry]

I feel like it would be cool if the dev made it so using Butcher Block wasn't just a dps loss for more emnity, but made it so it fit into the warrior kit in some way.

I think making it so the last hit in the combo made your next fel cleave/inner beast do x% more damage would be a cool stop gap. SO that you always wanted to weave in 1 butchers block combo into between Cleaves when not running inner beast.

Then combine unchained and defiance stance into just a cool down with increased healing and health. As the current warrior play style honestly makes a lot of sense for the class, despite it possibly not being thier intention (?).

As shirk makes the whole stance thing kind of irrelevant any ways as off tanking is as easy as throwing you aggro at the MT.

[shao32]

if you make it a dps gain it will generate agro problems bcs WAR's are using it a lot on the OT spot, the solution will be makit it equal worthy so it will be usefull as a MT and save it when you are OT without losing power, but thats not only on WAR, its have to be don on all tanks.

[Eloah]

I think all of the tank enmity combos are meh now

[Zyneste]

Butcher's block is for enmity. A conscious choice to acquire more enmity. Storms path was buffed with the new gauge system to discontinue butchers blocks use in the off tank position.

It's intentional to be left as is. It serves its purpose.

[Shurrikhan]

How to make enmity combos relevant:
- Rework enmity as a system.
- Mostly remove the enmity component of enmity combos, siphoning the bonus towards some new system.

Or:
- Effectively trim Shirk.
- Diminish other enmity-circumvention skills somewhat. This may even have to include Cover's SB trait, which effectively applies the same between tanks in circumventing a tank swap through optimal play.
- Slightly reduce the relative potency cost of Butcher's Block (and likely other enmity combos) and the delay of enmity application in enmity combos, perhaps in exchange for some of the actual enmity produced.

So long as it's a quickly capped table, there's no reason to use enmity skills beyond opening burst and particularly frequent obligatory tank swaps. It serves its purpose, but, yes, that means it's about as single-use as a Bard's Caustic and Storm in any continuous fight.

[Caduagm]

Yes please... Make warrior even more broken.

[Azerhan]

I think all of the tank enmity combos are meh now

DRK disagrees, even if it's a dps loss, the enmity produced by the aggro combo is excellent.

I guess the problem is much more the idea of tanking in this game, is more like a dps with some defensives spells and a combo you use one or two time in a fight.
Maybe they should think about making the enmity a more important part of the tank's gameplay.

[F_Maximillian]

It was like this in HW where the butcher's block combo was actually higher potency than storm's eye/path and it caused some problems. Things are fine as is.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

DRK disagrees, even if it's a dps loss, the enmity produced by the aggro combo is excellent.

I guess the problem is much more the idea of tanking in this game, is more like a dps with some defensives spells and a combo you use one or two time in a fight.
Maybe they should think about making the enmity a more important part of the tank's gameplay.

To be fair though, you still only want to use Power Slash once unless the fight has aggro resets.

And therein lies the issue. Enmity as a whole has become so laughably simple, they may as well delete it from the game if it doesn't get an overhaul come 5.0. Warrior has reached a point where it doesn't even use Butcher's Block at all even without a Ninja. A solution I happen to fancy is enmity gradually reducing whenever you go into DPS stance, thus giving tanks something to manage exclusive to them. Unfortunately, I doubt they do anything since they seem utterly terrified of making things "too hard." I just find it hilariously ironic Yoshida laments how little Warriors want to use Defiance. Maybe if enmity wasn't a joke and incoming damage couldn't be shrugged off so easily, people would care about tank stance in general.

[Garry]

If they were to make the change i listed above to butchers bock it would be to make the rotation more interesting or to give the skills a use not to make them do more DPS or whatever.

Currently emnity doesn't matter and i think thats a good thing. If you make emnity matter than your basicly still a tanky DPS, but a tanky DPS that could potentially slow all the other DPS down if you are under gear or preforming poorly. Making the role a more dramatic effect on a team than pretty much any other role. As even healers bench marks as of current content aren't being able to heal really agressively, but more finding windows where they can optimize thier dps. Plus making emnity matter even more would also unnessarily evelvate classes like ninja, and hinder classes like paladin with the current game in mind.

However, making the emnity combos part of a given rotation or giving them an extra feature would go a decent way to making tanking more interesting.