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[ko_]

Statements like that are broken all the time in gaming. Sega, Nintendo, Capcom, SE, insert any other gaming company here have broken promises to their gamers all.the.time. It's not new and expecting them to keep every single word the same is silly. PEOPLE in general don't do that for crap smaller in scale. But I guess people who have that complaint NEVER broken a promise, NEVER stepped back on a word, NEVER changed their mind. BS!

[Skivvy]

Statements like that are broken all the time in gaming. Sega, Nintendo, Capcom, SE, insert any other gaming company here have broken promises to their gamers all.the.time. It's not new and expecting them to keep every single word the same is silly. PEOPLE in general don't do that for crap smaller in scale. But I guess people who have that complaint NEVER broken a promise, NEVER stepped back on a word, NEVER changed their mind. BS!

Things change, of course, but it's not a good thing when you continually go back on what you said. Would you be friends with someone who did this? States one thing, sometimes adamantly, and then a bit later does a complete 180? How far would you trust this friend?

[SenorPatty]

Things change, of course, but it's not a good thing when you continually go back on what you said. Would you be friends with someone who did this? States one thing, sometimes adamantly, and then a bit later does a complete 180? How far would you trust this friend?

Well that depends.

If my friend 5 years ago said he was going to continue doing the bare minimum in life and then he went back on his word and now wants to do more and have a positive impact on life, I'm not going to hang him for that.

Point is the circumstances around someone or a company changes. Sometimes for ill and sometimes for the better.

[Vaer]

Statements like that are broken all the time in gaming. Sega, Nintendo, Capcom, SE, insert any other gaming company here have broken promises to their gamers all.the.time. It's not new and expecting them to keep every single word the same is silly. PEOPLE in general don't do that for crap smaller in scale. But I guess people who have that complaint NEVER broken a promise, NEVER stepped back on a word, NEVER changed their mind. BS!

Yeah, but I'm sure people still complained or drag them through the mud if that happens. Same as here. I'll give you a recent example: No Man's Sky. No one's perfect obviously but that doesn't mean people can't get annoyed and they will if you pitch a product that's supposed to have x things and hype it up, then it doesn't have some of them.

Is it a big deal? Nah not really but often people don't appreciate being lied to especially when there is money involved.

[ko_]

Yeah, but I'm sure people still complained or drag them through the mud if that happens. Same as here. I'll give you a recent example: No Man's Sky. No one's perfect obviously but that doesn't mean people can't get annoyed and they will if you pitch a product that's supposed to have x things and hype it up, then it doesn't have some of them.

Is it a big deal? Nah not really but often people don't appreciate being lied to.

But context is key here. He didn't lie as he had no plans to change it at the time. Doesn't mean things can't change, and they did. I dunno, just seems like people expect perfection when they themselves are far from perfect. Thats what it feels like anyway.

[Vaer]

But context is key here. He didn't lie as he had no plans to change it at the time. Doesn't mean things can't change, and they did. I dunno, just seems like people expect perfection when they themselves are far from perfect. Thats what it feels like anyway.

You could say that about anything though, "They didn't lie because they changed their mind" means you could brush anything anyone says off and if that's how you feel that's fine. It's just giving license to other people to say whatever they want and not have any accountability. It also feels like spinning, like what lawyers or PR people do.

In real life people don't risk that so they sign binding documents, or take an oath.

[ko_]

You could say that about anything though, "They didn't lie because they changed their mind" means you could brush anything anyone says off and if that's how you feel that's fine. It's just giving license to other people to say whatever they want and not have any accountability. It also feels like spinning, like what lawyers or PR people do.

Point taken, I just can't help but see it as abit unfair to be honest. I get companies have different standards then you or me talking, but I guess I also don't expect companies to keep the same promises for over 5 years as too many things change. The fact we didn't have personal houses when he made that statement to me makes sense. I might be projecting but it just looks like everyone is mad and is just looking for reasons to say " See SE is a jerk" or whatever and noone is looking past their anger to actually see what happened or the context in the statements. But that's how it looks to me, and I don't mean everyone is blindly mad, you and Miste aren't for example. But yeah.

[LineageRazor]

You could say that about anything though, "They didn't lie because they changed their mind" means you could brush anything anyone says off and if that's how you feel that's fine. It's just giving license to other people to say whatever they want and not have any accountability. It also feels like spinning, like what lawyers or PR people do.

In real life people don't risk that so they sign binding documents, or take an oath.

You also have to bear in mind that Yoshi P was a lot less experienced when he said this. He was clearly excited about housing, and fully believed he could bring about the plan for housing he envisioned. He was also clearly not aware that the players were going to take his announcement as some kind of binding contract to hold over his head for years to come. You'll notice that he is a LOT more careful, now, about revealing plans for the game nowadays. He has experience, now, and typically limits announcements to things he knows the developers can deliver (in fact, the probably limits them to things the developers have already developed, or mostly so). He's learned his lesson.

If he was still making wild promises today then I'd agree that he should be held accountable, but the stuff about housing we can chalk up to his growing pains as a director. Continuing to dredge these remarks up nowadays is comparable to calling a woman a pervert because she said she wanted to marry her brother when she was four years old.

[Vaer]

You also have to bear in mind that Yoshi P was a lot less experienced when he said this. He was clearly excited about housing, and fully believed he could bring about the plan for housing he envisioned. He was also clearly not aware that the players were going to take his announcement as some kind of binding contract to hold over his head for years to come. You'll notice that he is a LOT more careful, now, about revealing plans for the game nowadays. He has experience, now, and typically limits announcements to things he knows the developers can deliver (in fact, the probably limits them to things the developers have already developed, or mostly so). He's learned his lesson.

If he was still making wild promises today then I'd agree that he should be held accountable, but the stuff about housing we can chalk up to his growing pains as a director. Continuing to dredge these remarks up nowadays is comparable to calling a woman a pervert because she said she wanted to marry her brother when she was four years old.

Eh, I mean I suppose. But that's why you have an entire PR department that coaches you, (and I'm pretty sure they do have one since it's been referenced many times about why he can't reveal things) so really I would understand if people don't let him off the hook completely.

I really doubt he just does whatever he wants, I'm sure some of it gets filtered through PR especially something like a Live Letter, which I assume has pre-screened questions.

[Tint]

But context is key here. He didn't lie as he had no plans to change it at the time. Doesn't mean things can't change, and they did. I dunno, just seems like people expect perfection when they themselves are far from perfect. Thats what it feels like anyway.

Context is really the key here. It's not really about the broken promise per se - it's about a broken housing system. We wanted a better housing system for years now. And it seems a better system was promised back then.

We still suffer under the current system today. And that's the reason why the promises from 5 years ago are still relevant. And they will stay relevant until they fix housing.

I mean where are the topics about the promised egi-glamours? We got the Carbuncles, but what is with the other egis? And completely new egis?
What was with Free Company Alliances?

A lot of things were said wich never happend (yet) and we don't really care - but this housing stuff is what is stuck in our heads. We really want a better system here!