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    Quote Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline View Post
    A little critical thinking goes a long way here.

    1) People can and will criticize bad design/decisions/unfun things, etc. As paying customers it's not some entitlement or unrealistic attribute to do. In fact any successful company will BEG for people to do this.

    2) For every vocal person there are considerably more who will just leave without a word. This is known as the silent majority and is a well documented phenomenon and is something companies strive to mitigate.

    3) I'm super happy to hear you're having fun. I really am, but that doesn't invalidate our feedback. If you so vehemently disagree with the negativity you've seen, why not try to defend the game with concrete examples/analysis?
    Seriously you need complain in this thread?so we cant say thanks for developer because it has bad content?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KuuroYuuki View Post
    Seriously you need complain in this thread?so we cant say thanks for developer because it has bad content?
    people argue against complaints all the time in threads wich were created to complain... i don't see the problem here o.ô;
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    The majority of players in this forum do not know what constructive criticism is and how to position a sentiment in a way that it can help a company grow. In fact, everyone just whines about things they don't personally like, as though the company needs to cater to them individually until the mob mentality takes over.

    I have never seen a constructive post here. Just a ton of entitled people that literally put the NA community and dev team down and constantly tell them that they are terrible.

    Don't pretend like you're paragons of virtue looking to help because you care. It's selfish entitlement. When you learn how to post feedback in a way that doesn't include insults then it 's constructive. But the OF are a toxic place and I wanted to post this so that at least one thread said thank you.

    Since I've done that, I won't post here anymore. Instead I challenge you to go into your post history, see how you speak to the people that do their best to give us this game and constantly try to improve it and see how it would make you feel if someone took that tone with you. Instead we get keyboard warriors and that is sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErysNight View Post
    I have never seen a constructive post here.
    Then you aren't looking at all. I don't browse here much since you can get perma banned here easily but in my short time I spend here I've seen countless threads and posts with constructive criticism. Honestly I rarely see the ones where they're just "attacking" as you put it, especially since you can get banned for that.

    Also your thread would come off as sincere if you didn't try and "attack" other people in it.
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    9/10 the feedback here is viable and is actually pointing out things that can be improved but it's always written as an attack which is unnecessary. It's not what you're saying but how you're saying it that makes this place toxic.
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    Thank you for this thread, OP! I'm also enjoying the game a lot, and I've been on the ride for 5 years ^^
    A game can be as fun or as boring as the person playing makes it to be~
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    There are a lot of pitchforks and terrible, terrible argument practices on the forums (if I had a gil for every straw man and ad hominem attack I'd be able to gift everybody in my FC with Night Pegasus whistles) - and at the same time, there are always thoughtful, measured responses. It's not hard to see who the "will always disagree no matter what's said, even if you tell them they're amazing" folks are, who the "I will scream my opinions and discourage all dialogue" people are, and it shouldn't be difficult to recognise who the people are that actively want to have a discussion. You just have to be willing to accept that some people are going to criticise things you yourself might love, and you can't take it personally.

    Constantly praising someone that is either only doing their job or is actively making missteps is actually harmful. You can say something is good, and I do. But blind worship never helped anyone and has ruined a lot of people and companies. EDIT: There's also a time and a place for both. There are threads where people talk about positivity, what they like about the game. There are threads where people discuss content and whether or not they like it and what they see needs changing. Some people are going to bring the negative into the positive, always, but this is the internet. Those are the people I blacklist, because they don't want to discuss, they want to complain.
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    Last edited by InkstainedGwyn; 08-25-2018 at 12:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErysNight View Post
    I just wanted to step outside the usual scope of posts in the Official Forums and say, I've been playing this game for over 2 years now and have been thoroughly enjoying myself.

    I don't know where people get off thinking they can pick up their pitchforks for every little thing but honestly there is a good number of us that are really having fun.

    I've been very fortunate to meet wonderful people through this game and I really have fun with savage, crafting, Hildebrand and housing!

    So Moderation and Dev teams, thank you very much for the services you provide and for creating this world of Eorzea for us.

    Here's to hoping we can hit the 10 year anniversary!
    You're my hero! Thank you for being so awesome!
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    When there are those who say it cannot be done, we rise to the occasion and defy all expectations!

    True to the Blue, I am an Azure Dragoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErysNight View Post
    I just wanted to step outside the usual scope of posts in the Official Forums and say, I've been playing this game for over 2 years now and have been thoroughly enjoying myself.

    I don't know where people get off thinking they can pick up their pitchforks for every little thing but honestly there is a good number of us that are really having fun.

    I've been very fortunate to meet wonderful people through this game and I really have fun with savage, crafting, Hildebrand and housing!

    So Moderation and Dev teams, thank you very much for the services you provide and for creating this world of Eorzea for us.

    Here's to hoping we can hit the 10 year anniversary!
    Yes. This... and a +1 to you.

    Critical thought with a clear gesture of appreciation. Thank you for posting this.
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    People have every right to give negative feedback for a product they payed for. This is basic business. If a product isn't to ones satisfaction one will refrain from purchasing it in the future. Feedback is important to maintain a steady customer base. If you're satisfied with ffxiv as it is. Great! More power to you! I enjoy the majority of the stuff in the game but for that which I feel is sub par I'll give honest feedback. Its not rued or hostile its imperative for the product to hold my interest or I'll simply take my business elsewhere.

    And if too many people follow suit then the game fails and dies. Which is something none of us want
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