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  1. #1
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    Samniel Atkascha
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    Her official artwork has her looking very similar to Setzer, sans the scars, and her sprite outfit is very similar to Bartz' except without pants. It's part of her story that she was pretty much raised as a boy by the pirates and she disguises herself as one to keep their respect (except she's so beautiful that some still end up falling for her even while they think she's a man). Her job outfits before the "reveal" are even pretty gender neutral or similar to Bartz', with Mystic Knight being the first to display some cleavage. So if we get Faris' most iconic outfit, it'd be her Amano artwork one, i.e. the Setzer-like longcoat sans-sleeves and the one she's disguising herself as a man with (I'm also a believer that clothes are just clothes, which is my biggest gripe with the gender locked outfits here).

    Answering your question, Cloud has become a memetic cross-dresser since he's been allowed to use female-only equipment in his spin-off appearances (Dissidia and Duodecim, FFT); He's not a transvestite in his home game because he doesn't CHOOSE or LIKE wearing women's clothes outside of that sequence. However, Faris CHOOSES to continue dressing "like a man" the rest of the plot (and is visibly uncomfortable in the sequence in Castle Tycoon when she's FORCED to dress like a princess, plot-wise, the characters clothes don't change when they change jobs, only gameplay-wise), while Cloud only CHOSE to wear the dress (and was mostly forced by Aerith) to save Tifa.

    Also on the artwork thing here is her official Amano artwork, very similar to Setzer's coat (and even long hair like Setzer except tied up), except sleeveless with a blue undercoat and white pants, compare Setzer's.
    This other outfit may be more "feminine" but it's still a breastplate/pants/boots combo, just red and with added cape. This Amano sketch is, well, sketchy but is still a Pirate outfit and cape. This is the same breastplate, sash, pants, boots, cape combo just more decorated as is Amano's style. Compare her decidedly more feminine sister Lenna
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    Last edited by WhiteArchmage; 08-23-2018 at 08:36 AM.

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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
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    Okay, you do know the reason she resembles Setzer is because she was used as the basis for his design right? So you can't really say her coat/outfit resembles his, its the other way around, his outfit resembles hers. You are not wrong that he backstory has he being raised as a boy and even dressing like one, but dressing like a boy and being a cross-dresser aren't mutually exclusive. As for her outfits, they aren't similar to Bartz's they are similar to Lenna's and a few of Krile's. Also why does cleavage have to be the first thing to show she's a she, what if she was flat chested, T.T How mean.

    Knight: Her armor is identical to Lenna's in color and style
    Monk: Both her and Krile are wearing pants suits, and in sprite form it resemble Lenna's dress
    Thief: All of the girls have patterns on their scarves
    Black Mage: All of the girls are wearing robes, not cloaks
    White Mage: All of the girls have their hoods up
    Blue Mage: All of the girls wear a beret in addition to their mask
    Red Mage: None
    Time Mage: None
    Summoner: None
    Berserker: All of the girls are a type of cat, and the boys are dogs
    Mystic Knight: I'm sure this one is self explanatory, lol
    Mime: None (its their normal outfit enhanced)
    Beastmaster: Lenna and Faris are the only ones without horns
    Geomancer: None
    Ninja: Lenna and Faris are a shade of purple, and all the girls wear scarves
    Ranger: None
    Bard: None
    Dragoon: It's hard to describe, but the best thing that could be said of this one is none of the girls wear pants, but that could also be grasping at straws
    Dancer: This is the one outfit she has where Faris and Bartz have similar outfits, compared to the others
    Samurai: If I'm going by sprites, at least the ones I can see, none of the girls have helmets on, but in the artwork she does so not sure.
    Chemist:None
    The 4 extra jobs are all unique to them and their color scheme

    Also you are describing her outfit as a breastplate/pants/boots combo, can women not wear those? And the other thing is you're saying compare her to her more feminine sister... why? Does Lenna being more feminine make her more of a girl and Faris less of one? female=/=feminine and male =/=masculine. Not trying to turn this into anything just making it aware.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Also you are describing her outfit as a breastplate/pants/boots combo, can women not wear those? And the other thing is you're saying compare her to her more feminine sister... why? Does Lenna being more feminine make her more of a girl and Faris less of one? female=/=feminine and male =/=masculine. Not trying to turn this into anything just making it aware.
    The point is that they're UNISEX, not male or female, did you miss the point were I mentioned clothes are clothes? or when I mentioned her clothes have the perfect excuse for being Unisex? Damn, I've even mentioned being non-binary myself in this very forum. I mention Lenna having a more feminine design because it contrasts Faris' and goes to the more obvious Amano style of being very androgynous, even Locke and Edgar can look feminine in Amano artworks while Squall looks very androgynous (I should know, I have the Amano artbooks for FF1 thru 10). Thanks for putting words in my mouth

    As far as the comparison to Setzer, it doesn't matter who inspired whom (and did I ever say HE insipred HER or are we just putting words in my mouth again?), that's why it's a comparison. The point is that her official outfit (and the one with the highest chance of us getting) is so similar to a male character's that basically saying "it can't be a male outfit because she's a girl" is...wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    They should just release all the main characters clothes from all the ff games and make them unisex.
    Yes pls, and also seconded on Kuja's outfit, I want Seymour's as well but it looks like it'd be a clipping nightmare.
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    Last edited by WhiteArchmage; 08-24-2018 at 01:11 AM.

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    Mahrze Crossner
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    Her official artwork has her looking very similar to Setzer, sans the scars, and her sprite outfit is very similar to Bartz' except without pants. It's part of her story that she was pretty much raised as a boy by the pirates and she disguises herself as one to keep their respect (except she's so beautiful that some still end up falling for her even while they think she's a man). Her job outfits before the "reveal" are even pretty gender neutral or similar to Bartz', with Mystic Knight being the first to display some cleavage. So if we get Faris' most iconic outfit, it'd be her Amano artwork one, i.e. the Setzer-like longcoat sans-sleeves and the one she's disguising herself as a man with (I'm also a believer that clothes are just clothes, which is my biggest gripe with the gender locked outfits here).

    Answering your question, Cloud has become a memetic cross-dresser since he's been allowed to use female-only equipment in his spin-off appearances (Dissidia and Duodecim, FFT); He's not a transvestite in his home game because he doesn't CHOOSE or LIKE wearing women's clothes outside of that sequence. However, Faris CHOOSES to continue dressing "like a man" the rest of the plot (and is visibly uncomfortable in the sequence in Castle Tycoon when she's FORCED to dress like a princess, plot-wise, the characters clothes don't change when they change jobs, only gameplay-wise), while Cloud only CHOSE to wear the dress (and was mostly forced by Aerith) to save Tifa.

    Also on the artwork thing here is her official Amano artwork, very similar to Setzer's coat (and even long hair like Setzer except tied up), except sleeveless with a blue undercoat and white pants, compare Setzer's.
    This other outfit may be more "feminine" but it's still a breastplate/pants/boots combo, just red and with added cape. This Amano sketch is, well, sketchy but is still a Pirate outfit and cape. This is the same breastplate, sash, pants, boots, cape combo just more decorated as is Amano's style. Compare her decidedly more feminine sister Lenna

    Quoting the wiki and completely missing the cues in design that Faris is basically Setzer's design Senpai just threw everything overboard.

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    If you say so.