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  1. #21
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    Mahrze's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    Her official artwork has her looking very similar to Setzer, sans the scars, and her sprite outfit is very similar to Bartz' except without pants. It's part of her story that she was pretty much raised as a boy by the pirates and she disguises herself as one to keep their respect (except she's so beautiful that some still end up falling for her even while they think she's a man). Her job outfits before the "reveal" are even pretty gender neutral or similar to Bartz', with Mystic Knight being the first to display some cleavage. So if we get Faris' most iconic outfit, it'd be her Amano artwork one, i.e. the Setzer-like longcoat sans-sleeves and the one she's disguising herself as a man with (I'm also a believer that clothes are just clothes, which is my biggest gripe with the gender locked outfits here).

    Answering your question, Cloud has become a memetic cross-dresser since he's been allowed to use female-only equipment in his spin-off appearances (Dissidia and Duodecim, FFT); He's not a transvestite in his home game because he doesn't CHOOSE or LIKE wearing women's clothes outside of that sequence. However, Faris CHOOSES to continue dressing "like a man" the rest of the plot (and is visibly uncomfortable in the sequence in Castle Tycoon when she's FORCED to dress like a princess, plot-wise, the characters clothes don't change when they change jobs, only gameplay-wise), while Cloud only CHOSE to wear the dress (and was mostly forced by Aerith) to save Tifa.

    Also on the artwork thing here is her official Amano artwork, very similar to Setzer's coat (and even long hair like Setzer except tied up), except sleeveless with a blue undercoat and white pants, compare Setzer's.
    This other outfit may be more "feminine" but it's still a breastplate/pants/boots combo, just red and with added cape. This Amano sketch is, well, sketchy but is still a Pirate outfit and cape. This is the same breastplate, sash, pants, boots, cape combo just more decorated as is Amano's style. Compare her decidedly more feminine sister Lenna

    Quoting the wiki and completely missing the cues in design that Faris is basically Setzer's design Senpai just threw everything overboard.

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    If you say so.

  2. #22
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    A wonderful compromise. Please let female classes have Those outfits and Give male classes Cloud, Squall, and Tidus hair or weapons.
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  3. #23
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    They should just release all the main characters clothes from all the ff games and make them unisex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    They should just release all the main characters clothes from all the ff games and make them unisex.
    I wish Lightning's and Snow's were both unisex, but apart from that, I think that's more or less what they're doing. They're just pacing it out one or two at a time so there will be more left to give us next year and the year after, etc.

    I wish they'd branch out to including antagonists as well, though, because I want Kuja's outfit.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Also you are describing her outfit as a breastplate/pants/boots combo, can women not wear those? And the other thing is you're saying compare her to her more feminine sister... why? Does Lenna being more feminine make her more of a girl and Faris less of one? female=/=feminine and male =/=masculine. Not trying to turn this into anything just making it aware.
    The point is that they're UNISEX, not male or female, did you miss the point were I mentioned clothes are clothes? or when I mentioned her clothes have the perfect excuse for being Unisex? Damn, I've even mentioned being non-binary myself in this very forum. I mention Lenna having a more feminine design because it contrasts Faris' and goes to the more obvious Amano style of being very androgynous, even Locke and Edgar can look feminine in Amano artworks while Squall looks very androgynous (I should know, I have the Amano artbooks for FF1 thru 10). Thanks for putting words in my mouth

    As far as the comparison to Setzer, it doesn't matter who inspired whom (and did I ever say HE insipred HER or are we just putting words in my mouth again?), that's why it's a comparison. The point is that her official outfit (and the one with the highest chance of us getting) is so similar to a male character's that basically saying "it can't be a male outfit because she's a girl" is...wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    They should just release all the main characters clothes from all the ff games and make them unisex.
    Yes pls, and also seconded on Kuja's outfit, I want Seymour's as well but it looks like it'd be a clipping nightmare.
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    Last edited by WhiteArchmage; 08-24-2018 at 01:11 AM.

  6. #26
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    The point is that they're UNISEX, not male or female, did you miss the point were I mentioned clothes are clothes? or when I mentioned her clothes have the perfect excuse for being Unisex? Damn, I've even mentioned being non-binary myself in this very forum. I mention Lenna having a more feminine design because it contrasts Faris' and goes to the more obvious Amano style of being very androgynous, even Locke and Edgar can look feminine in Amano artworks while Squall looks very androgynous (I should know, I have the Amano artbooks for FF1 thru 10). Thanks for putting words in my mouth

    As far as the comparison to Setzer, it doesn't matter who inspired whom (and did I ever say HE insipred HER or are we just putting words in my mouth again?), that's why it's a comparison. The point is that her official outfit (and the one with the highest chance of us getting) is so similar to a male character's that basically saying "it can't be a male outfit because she's a girl" is...wrong.
    Okay, to start, I didn't put any words in your mouth. I've merely been elaborating on things you have said.

    Yes you did say cloths are cloths, and that her outfit has the highest chance to be unisex, but the way it was implied, it didn't show it as her outfit being unisex, just its chances.

    I also just was showing you how her outfits aren't "men's clothing", which is a part of the clues to her true gender. You mentioned her outfits resembling Bartzs, I just pointed out they resemble Lenna's and Krile's more.

    As far as the Setzer comparison, no you didn't state that he inspired her. But the direction that your sentence flows denote where the inspiration is from and where it is headed. It's because of that direction, that I just wanted to make you aware, in case you didn't know. It's like saying, your father resembles you, the direction of the statement is off.

    And as far as my final statement about the comparison between the sisters. I was more or less asking, why make the comparison, especially since you want unisex clothing. Comparing a more masculine outfit to a more feminine outfit make no sense in that regard. Admittedly, I could of worded it like that, so I understand the confusion.

    Faris is the rare example of an androgynous woman, instead of the more common androgynous man.

    I repeat I haven't put any words in your mouth. I've just been adding to the conversation; and providing you with some new info you might not of been aware of. You did mention your own preferences, and I apologize if you felt "attacked" over what I may have said. But, I personally don't care about those kinds of things, you are you, that's it.

    But this thread has semi been derailed lets get it back on track shall we.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

  7. #27
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    Id rather we get Bartz and Noctis gear as unisex
    I guess add Terra and lockes gear for gender base glamor

    Be funny seeing a man Roe in terras gear though
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Snip.
    Indeed, let's agree we could have worded things differently and took them way overboard

    Getting back on track, we already got Firion's outfit, I'd reaaaaally like The Emperor's as well, or at least his snazzy hair.
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    Y'kayah Tia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    You mentioned her outfits resembling Bartzs, I just pointed out they resemble Lenna's and Krile's more.

    As far as the Setzer comparison, no you didn't state that he inspired her. But the direction that your sentence flows denote where the inspiration is from and where it is headed.
    The direction of the sentence wasn't about which inspired the other. It was based on which outfit was under discussion. The topic White Archmage was addressing there was about Faris' outfit (the iconic one in her concept art and story) being wearable by male characters if/when it's brought into this game. Pointing out that a very similar one was worn by a male character is pertinent to that. Your addition that his outfit was actually based off hers was helpful, but doesn't change the direction of the discussion. (We already have his outfit here as unisex so no longer need to discuss whether it can be.)

    Your own discussion of the job outfits shown on her sprites wasn't particularly relevant, since those outfits aren't the ones that would be brought in as Faris' outfit. They're instead among the many examples of job gear that have been brought in as AF.
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    Last edited by Niwashi; 08-24-2018 at 09:47 PM.

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    My wishlist:

    All following outfits as Uni:
    - Fang's Outfit
    - Lightnings xiii-2 armor
    -kingsglaive outfits
    -gladios outfit
    -aurons outfit
    - rydias dress (LET BUFF ROE MEN WEAR IT!!!)
    - Rinoas outfit
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