The Train is Back!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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A development team doesn't nerf content two weeks after it's release if it's widely popular. In fact, FFXIV has a precedence for waiting several weeks or months to gauge player reception. Look how long they took adjusting Diadem or PvP. Considering how quickly these Pagos changes are coming, that speaks to its utter lack of mainstream appeal. Instances remain filled up because they're routinely being recycled. I suppose we ought to simply ignore the sheer number of people posting pictures where their instances have died, hmm? You know what else has thousands of clears? Ultimate. That amounts to less than 1% of the playerbase. As Billy said above, it make sound like a lot at face value but relative to the game's overall population, it's a drop in the bucket. A perfect example would be Savage. Did they reduce it's difficulty for the lulz or because clear rates were low, thus insinuating people didn't want to do it?

As for effort. You're speaking to someone with multiple Animas, Savage clears, Ultimate prog on both tiers and even the Whisper-a-Go-Go mount. So about that effort? Perhaps you should leave your baseless assumptions at the door. After all, you know what they say about assumptions...

[Alleo]

Probably because they're desperate. This speaks volumes to how unpopular Pagos was. They're basically saying, "Yield! We yield! Please do the content!!"

And I do question how they will go with this in the future? Will they make changes to the next two ones too? Or are we going to have Pagos 2.0 and hope that they will change it afterwards..

Also it still left a bitter taste in my mouth..for me it just feels like the changes to Pagos were done because they disliked that we found another way to level in there. Changing this now after much backlash does not make me feel much better (and I still wont do it) since this should have not been that way from the start if they had listened to our whole feedback.

[Soupa]

I’ll be afk. Thx 4 relic.

[Derio]

THE CHAIN IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE NM TRAIN!!!!!

[mordaria]

It's disgustingly sad that this is what you want from a game ..afk..return..afk...sickening.sad and pathetic..both on players that begged and also SE FOR ONCE AGAIN just handing everything on a silver platter if the tears roll..you all could have been 35 and have a weapon it's called put effort in and earn it

[BillyKaplan]

you all could have been 35 and have a weapon it's called put effort in and earn it

Effort has nothing to do with it. No amount of Stockholm Syndrome could make me enjoy Pagos, not before these changes, not sure after, either.

[HyoMinPark]

It's disgustingly sad that this is what you want from a game ..afk..return..afk...sickening.sad and pathetic..both on players that begged and also SE FOR ONCE AGAIN just handing everything on a silver platter if the tears roll..you all could have been 35 and have a weapon it's called put effort in and earn it

It’s funny how other pieces of content that people whined to have nerfed never were nerfed two weeks after they were released because there was no problems with them in their initial design. Maybe some should accept that Pagos was far from decent in terms of its design. I think you should leave your baseless assumptions and ad hominems at the door.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's disgustingly sad that this is what you want from a game ..afk..return..afk...sickening.sad and pathetic..both on players that begged and also SE FOR ONCE AGAIN just handing everything on a silver platter if the tears roll..you all could have been 35 and have a weapon it's called put effort in and earn it

And you know why many people aren't level 35 with a weapon? Because Pagos is mind numbingly boring and they'd rather do anything else. The train is simply the lesser of two evils. I, personally, don't find spamming my rotation endlessly on a brain dead trash mob fun. Evidently, neither do most people.

[TheGrimace]

Pagos was really boring and unrewarding at release. I mean, Anemos had the same problems, but people found ways around it with the help of the train. There are definitely people who afk while waiting for pops, and I'm not thrilled at that, but there are also plenty of people like me who attack everything we can to try to get things to attack faster, even if we're not contributing a ton until we're max level.

I don't like being accused of laziness in a game. I'll put forth as much effort as I can when the reward feels reasonable for the amount of effort. Pagos failed at that with its original implementation, and that's why people complained. The ends didn't justify the means.

And Pagos still has tons of problems after the patch, but again, the train is a symptom of Eureka's problems, not the cause of it. If the content were more engaging, the trains would not exist. This is how we have made the best of a dumb situation.

[Nyvara]

Well, train, train, take me on out of this town
Train, train, Lord, take me on out of this town
Well, that woman I'm in love with, Lord, she's Pagos bound