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  1. #1
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    hynaku's Avatar
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    Inglis Eucus
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    How about they give level 35 3 times light from NMs like how there giving ones below 35 3 times the exp. from them. Train is even making Pagos worse now. Now no one wants to help spawn louhi anymore but just spawn low level nms. Another thing train doesn't wait for others to get there that's trying to spawn other nm's. Good luck getting your weapon since train doesn't care about louhi might take you to 2020 to get first weapon. they should just increased crystals and light you got from nms and chains. 4.4 will be out in just over month with another eureka area in it.
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    Last edited by hynaku; 08-22-2018 at 02:42 AM.

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    Hex Pathcrosser
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    I didn't mind the chains, but after awhile, my body sure did. All that repetitive stress on my hands and strain on my eyes was limiting the time I wanted to and could spend in Pagos. I don't think enough time has passed between Anemos and now for them to implement our original suggestions (like daily quests, meaningful exploration, etc). But I don't know the development timetable for these things.

    It's very likely that Pagos was designed concurrently with Anemos (I mean, it is pretty much the same thing with different scenery), so when they got feedback for Anemos and now Pagos, whatever changes there are could be put into Eureka: Fotia' (Fire).

    I would hope they are taking our feedback to heart and making Eureka something worth doing beyond the Elemental relic. But they also collected our feedback on Palace of the Dead for the next iteration, and HoH was more of the same with a few minor changes and a fresh coat of paint so, I'm not sure what I'm expecting.

    At least the XP in there is better now! 230k for Ash Dragon? {Yes, Please}
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    "We want bunny suits for guys!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Ishgard housing!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Viera!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Cloud's motorcycle!" -- OK! ✅
    "We want Blue Mage!"-- OK! ✅
    "We want the ability to earn past Feast rewards!" - OK! ✅ to armor
    "... and mounts?

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    Doki Waku
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    I didn't have a problem with casually grinding the way it was to 35, however the rewards for doing so really felt out of proportion with the time & effort it takes.
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    I love how everyone is cheering the train is back, and yet, you're still gonna have to chain mobs for light eventually for your relics. All SE did was acknowledge that's their leveling system was skewed way to harshly, and is now far more friendly to get to level 35.
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    Nixx Delumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangar View Post
    I love how everyone is cheering the train is back, and yet, you're still gonna have to chain mobs for light eventually for your relics. All SE did was acknowledge that's their leveling system was skewed way to harshly, and is now far more friendly to get to level 35.
    What I find weird is that a lot of people I've talked to are really unbothered by the idea of light farming via chaining as long as they can do it at level 35. They're going to end up spending about as much time chaining, but now it will be in addition to the time they spent leveling, rather than being accomplished simultaneously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    What I find weird is that a lot of people I've talked to are really unbothered by the idea of light farming via chaining as long as they can do it at level 35. They're going to end up spending about as much time chaining, but now it will be in addition to the time they spent leveling, rather than being accomplished simultaneously.
    Probably because at level 35 it's a lot easier to participate in the treasure fates, NMs for loot, and you'll have your mount. This all makes the chain monotony more enjoyable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn View Post
    Probably because at level 35 it's a lot easier to participate in the treasure fates, NMs for loot, and you'll have your mount. This all makes the chain monotony more enjoyable.
    That makes zero sense. Treasure fates have nothing to do with anything and your mount is useless while chaining. I will give you that it's slightly easier to participate in NMs, but how does that make chaining more enjoyable? You were taking breaks from it to go after NMs in any case, but now the break is shorter.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    That statement assumes only one relic per-person. Anyone who's going for more than that will be farming in there at max level anyway. The question is, like Gwyn said, how long before you get to maximum, shall we say, comfort, while doing that. And the sooner, the better.
    No, it doesn't. If you're going for more than one, you'd then be leveling > light farm > light farm. However you want to look at it, you're tacking on basically every bit as much mob grinding to the end of your leveling by choosing to just run the train to 35. It really doesn't make sense for people who hate mob grinding to be totally OK with light farming as long as it can be done at level 35. It just makes the whole thing take longer without actually preventing a substantial amount of grinding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    That makes zero sense. Treasure fates have nothing to do with anything and your mount is useless while chaining. I will give you that it's slightly easier to participate in NMs, but how does that make chaining more enjoyable? You were taking breaks from it to go after NMs in any case, but now the break is shorter.



    No, it doesn't. If you're going for more than one, you'd then be leveling > light farm > light farm. However you want to look at it, you're tacking on basically every bit as much mob grinding to the end of your leveling by choosing to just run the train to 35. It really doesn't make sense for people who hate mob grinding to be totally OK with light farming as long as it can be done at level 35. It just makes the whole thing take longer without actually preventing a substantial amount of grinding.
    Or maybe it's the fact that none of us were complaining about the amount of work (as we've been trying to say the whole time). We were complaining about how mind-numbing it is. If I can get to 35 in a fraction of the time it would have taken, then when I'm in one portion of the map when an NM is called in another portion, I have a significantly better chance of getting there, which means I'm more likely to break up my chaining to go to it. If I'm 35, then I don't mind participating in the bunny fates of no XP because I have a (slightly) better chance of not being slaughtered when I get to the area my NPC pet leads me. Plus, once there are a lot more 35s in a zone, the NM train will pick up, because it's going to be easier to mass-slaughter the enemies needed to spawn NMs - and at that point I can help others, since I can't do it by chaining, because they'll lose xp.

    If you're trying to put numbers to all of this, then yes. Your math is correct. However, I'd much rather do 10 hours of something that's 50% fun than 7 hours of something that's 0% fun.

    Besides, I don't even care about the relic; I'll get it, some day. But I have better access to the drops I wanted now, I can try to get the emote and more of the crafting materials to make shirts for my FC-mates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    They're going to end up spending about as much time chaining, but now it will be in addition to the time they spent leveling, rather than being accomplished simultaneously.
    That statement assumes only one relic per-person. Anyone who's going for more than that will be farming in there at max level anyway. The question is, like Gwyn said, how long before you get to maximum, shall we say, comfort, while doing that. And the sooner, the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangar View Post
    I love how everyone is cheering the train is back, and yet, you're still gonna have to chain mobs for light eventually for your relics. All SE did was acknowledge that's their leveling system was skewed way to harshly, and is now far more friendly to get to level 35.
    Which you have to be to get the ability to mount... AGAIN! even after we learned to do it in the last area. Personally, content that makes me feel exhausted and annoyed by how inconsiderate the developers are to your personal time is bad content and Pagos is just that. I'm only doing it as part of my obligation to the relic but I'm doing it begrudgingly. I'm also tired of paying off Gerolt's drinking tab.
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