SMN and instant pet abilities

[Scyn]

Simple question. When can we expect summoners to receive the same QOL fix scholars received for both pvp and pve. As of right now even though summoners are in a good place, pet AI is still horrendous and needs to be adjusted. It simply makes the class more clunky and unfun to play currently.

[Titor]

I stopped playing this class due to this. Even when you think you understand it and have the timing down, you don't.

[Kurando]

Is it really that bad? I mean I wouldn't say it was "horrendous" nor does any issues prevent me from playing the job optimally or even just for fun, so to each their own I guess. SE don't believe SMN needs the same QoL treatment as SCH, so I wouldn't expect any changes any time soon unless many players start to complain about it all at once.... which seldom happens.

[Scyn]

It most definitely is playable but it doesn’t mean a QOL change isn’t needed. Currently everything the pet does which is termed “instant” tends to have a 3-5 second delay depending what the pet wants to do. Considering SE had the technology to make this happen I’m surprised it hasn’t been done yet.

[Kurando]

It could be a latency, global cooldown issue or your pet being otherwise preoccupied at the time of you trying to direct it's next action. Trying to using actions back to back manually can also cause the pet to act unresponsively.
In the end though, the difference is SMN only has one pet action that has casting time and that's Wind Blade (or Gust for ACN equivalent), SCH meanwhile has Embrace on both fairies so being able to interrupt them is more important and isn't necessary for SMN.... unless they make Wind Blade/Gust insta but then it wouldn't be a caster-type pet.

[Mansion]

I think the main "problem" is that for some oGCDs, basically you are not casting the action but asking the pet to cast it (namely Enkindle and Aetherpact) which induces that delay. The fix should address this for these two actions I think.
But in any way, when playing on Obey and binding the pet actions as your own spells, there are still delays that make it hard to handle in intense moments (the opener for instance) and when you are "aiming" them (trying to put the Contagion debuff when you want it).

I guess the problem is in the priority of actions, and compared to SCH, the animation locks of pet auto-attacks. I'm not sure it can be as "easily" fixed as Scholar, sadly.

[Scyn]

Given the fix would have to be slightly different I do believe SE would be able to do it based off of what they were able to do for SCH. Right now using Garuda is more difficult than it should be due to these delays. The fact that SMN needs to account for pet delays for certain actions yet other classes don’t creates a disadvantage to the class. This is also very apparent in pvp which each class gets a set number of skills and pet actions count towards that number.

[Adventica6]

It is horrendous, sometimes devotion doesn't even go off even though the cooldown is still used, on top of a lot of other pet issues that have still been in the game for YEARS.

Nobody was crying for scholar fairy changes, people wanted SMN pet changes to the ai to make the class feel better and we get nothing.

It's one of the main reasons I was forced to switch to rdm, stupid pet, clunky ai, aggros everything, does whatever it wants even on obey, it's just bad programming.

SE can design crazy bosses but they can't even code a pet ai ? the class is clunky and anyone who disagrees has very low experience with the class.

[Kurando]

It is horrendous, sometimes devotion doesn't even go off even though the cooldown is still used, on top of a lot of other pet issues that have still been in the game for YEARS.

Some pet abilities cannot be used back to back (i.e. double weaved) as they have a separate GCD timer from player GCD timer, this can sometimes cause actions to not go off correctly even though they are on cooldown.

Nobody was crying for scholar fairy changes, people wanted SMN pet changes to the ai to make the class feel better and we get nothing.

Actually players DID ask for SCH fairy to have changes, just because you don't see tones of threads about it doesn't mean it wasn't requested at all.

the class is clunky and anyone who disagrees has very low experience with the class.

That's your own experience and opinion. It's ignorant to claim that because no one else has as many issues as you, they have "low experience with the class". Example I've been playing since ACN/SMN was first available, so please don't attempt to discredit my own experience just because it doesn't fit with you own, it's not appreciated at all. Switching to RDM is a massive difference to something like jobs with more micromanagement like SMN, or even BRD and AST, so perhaps you just weren't cut out for being a user of pet classes to begin with.

[Scyn]

Some pet abilities cannot be used back to back (i.e. double weaved) as they have a separate GCD timer from player GCD timer, this can sometimes cause actions to not go off correctly even though they are on cooldown.



Actually players DID ask for SCH fairy to have changes, just because you don't see tones of threads about it doesn't mean it wasn't requested at all.



That's your own experience and opinion. It's ignorant to claim that because no one else has as many issues as you, they have "low experience with the class". Example I've been playing since ACN/SMN was first available, so please don't attempt to discredit my own experience just because it doesn't fit with you own, it's not appreciated at all. Switching to RDM is a massive difference to something like jobs with more micromanagement like SMN, or even BRD and AST, so perhaps you just weren't cut out for being a user of pet classes to begin with.

Even though i understand where you are coming from I have to disagree with your position. Even though SMN isn't in a bad spot it still can improve just like other classes have that same room for improve. A smoother pet AI would make the class less clunky. I don't think you would disagree that it is clunky. It does great DPS absolutely and has great utility but that doesn't change the fact that its still clunky.