White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Noriyu]

As a non-legacy player I had always had an interest in what the 1.x experience was like and have been slowly absorbing the available resources that document that era of this game. I had very surface-level knowledge about these earrings and hoped that this event would be an opportunity for legacy players to be reminded of the particular encounters (hopefully good memories) and possibly initiate some discussion surrounding it--perhaps even initiating some interest to non-legacy players to what these earrings were about. I would like to think this was a partial reason for why these earrings were selected, after all it is "The Rising." I expected some controversy as well, but not such hostility.

I am still quite the novice in the game: I play mostly two jobs; I do not PvP, raid; and I have not cleared all of the extreme trials, so feel free to paste over my thoughts. In my reading and interpretation of the argument of staff's comments stating such items to be "unobtainable" those many years ago, I believe, in context, was to mean that since such items were associated with legacy encounters and such encounters no longer being available in ARR or able to be incorporated at that time and foreseeable future, then these items would no longer be obtainable post 1.x. One (I think) can reasonably extrapolate exclusivity to these items for those who first obtained them. I suppose whether this is then expected to apply for all time can be debatable. Then there is the opposing argument citing the Terms of Service whereby Square-Enix can essentially do what they wish with this game. There is also some debate concerning encounter difficulty equivalences.

Parading such arguments and then mic-dropping in my view is petty, and so are assigning time or dollar-value contribution comparisons. I believe such use of these and other technicalities do not address the actual issue of value and devaluation that people have: actual or realized; intrinsic or not. These issues are more varied and complex that do not have a silver-bullet solution that will satisfy every individual. I am not choosing a side, and do not know what the "correct" action is.

In the end the event is going to (probably) happen and each individual must decide to take it however they will. There are persons who are legacy/non-legacy, have/do-not-have, that advocate and oppose the earring being now available. Making this such a vitriolic wedge-issue and spouting some conspiratorial notion of abandonment of some base or appeasement of another I believe just saps both the FFXIV team, the players and community. None of what I addressed progresses the issue at hand, I admit, but do we have to be so in love with such hostility toward each other?

(I mean come on, Mr. Soken kicked a box for percussion--like holy cow how awesome was that? Remember that? Remember when we all got a kick out of that, too?)

[Yoruichi4478]

Just like we knew about Ultimate coming a year before its release, the dev team hinted and hyped us in 1.0 about the "final fight", with 2 difficulties, a normal one, and a challenging one.

The required gears to get into that fight seriously, were released during the spring, giving you some month to gear up before the fight get released in the summer, so that you could jump on it as soon as possible, to get a chance at clearing it before the servers shut down.
It was a race against the clock all along.

There are people who did everything for month, who fought with bravery, and didn't cleared it on time, still being in the fight during the final hours.

This is full of incredible stories. Some cleared it the last day, a 5-6 month race, they cleared it the last day, then head up on the Carteneau Flats for the big battle against the Garlemald XIVth Legion lead by The Black Wolf, Gaius van Baelsar.
A war hosted by GMs, with Dalamud growing above players heads, only to find out what was in Dalamud 1 min after the server shut down with the End of Era CGI video.

Those people, clearing it the final day, they went on a roller-coaster of emotions, they were crying tears of joy and sadness on the forum the next day, making the development team crying themselves.

This is singular and unparalleled, and why people are attached to those silly earrings.

I still remember that rollercoaster of sadness and joy and heaviness. Especially when the servers came back up after the final save maintenance. What SE did to our world in its final days was haunting. That's why that one rendition of Answers triggers the memories of what we experienced. You just had to be there I tell ppl. I got mine done a month before that last day, I knew ppl on my server at the time, were trying until the final hour before final save. I don't regret anything playing that broken game, it was a unique experience. Really sad when it hit us when the time finally came for our world to end, 2 years went by fast.
You said it with feeling Amiral Benson.
I remember we had so much fun fighting off bosses in Uldah, it was epic, like Besieged on steroids. I participated in defending Uldah's only entrance myself. Those last days were exciting and very sad too. I miss that community. I will speak fondly about 1.0 until my final breath.

[Yoruichi4478]

I've had post 1.0ers ask me why Hildebrand is even in the game at the lvl of involvement they put him in. Simple thing is, he's a staple of the game since his inception in 1.0. He and his assistant were originally just npcs in the quests found in each city, LL, Grid, and Uldah, to get inn access when inns were introduced. SE never expected him to be such a hit. I remember reading somewhere that the ppl responsible for his invention, ran excitedly into Yoshi-P's office to tell him that Hildebrand was a hit and the players loved him, so he was made into the game's comedy relief. His adventures in 1.0 were absolutely hilarious. I am sorry that ppl who didn't play then have no idea why we hold that npc so near and dear to us. His earrings were the reward for clearing the final Hildebrand quest of 1.0, quite a memorable final quest too. One of my favourite cs's too.

And omg, who remembers waking up in the inn to his face? lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij_0qweRKV4&t=302s Enjoy. It's worth it imo.

[Magic-Mal]

As a non-legacy player I had always had an interest in what the 1.x experience was like and have been slowly absorbing the available resources that document that era of this game. I had very surface-level knowledge about these earrings and hoped that this event would be an opportunity for legacy players to be reminded of the particular encounters (hopefully good memories) and possibly initiate some discussion surrounding it--perhaps even initiating some interest to non-legacy players to what these earrings were about. I would like to think this was a partial reason for why these earrings were selected, after all it is "The Rising." I expected some controversy as well, but not such hostility.

I am still quite the novice in the game: I play mostly two jobs; I do not PvP, raid; and I have not cleared all of the extreme trials, so feel free to paste over my thoughts. In my reading and interpretation of the argument of staff's comments stating such items to be "unobtainable" those many years ago, I believe, in context, was to mean that since such items were associated with legacy encounters and such encounters no longer being available in ARR or able to be incorporated at that time and foreseeable future, then these items would no longer be obtainable post 1.x. One (I think) can reasonably extrapolate exclusivity to these items for those who first obtained them. I suppose whether this is then expected to apply for all time can be debatable. Then there is the opposing argument citing the Terms of Service whereby Square-Enix can essentially do what they wish with this game. There is also some debate concerning encounter difficulty equivalences.

Parading such arguments and then mic-dropping in my view is petty, and so are assigning time or dollar-value contribution comparisons. I believe such use of these and other technicalities do not address the actual issue of value and devaluation that people have: actual or realized; intrinsic or not. These issues are more varied and complex that do not have a silver-bullet solution that will satisfy every individual. I am not choosing a side, and do not know what the "correct" action is.

In the end the event is going to (probably) happen and each individual must decide to take it however they will. There are persons who are legacy/non-legacy, have/do-not-have, that advocate and oppose the earring being now available. Making this such a vitriolic wedge-issue and spouting some conspiratorial notion of abandonment of some base or appeasement of another I believe just saps both the FFXIV team, the players and community. None of what I addressed progresses the issue at hand, I admit, but do we have to be so in love with such hostility toward each other?

Answer: "It's mine, not yours"

And unfortunately, that's all there is to it. At the very core. Page 70, page 100, page 150. It can't be argued. As I said earlier in the thread here, just wait it out. Use the earrings or don't. It won't matter, unless you make it matter.

[Sigma-Astra]

I cannot believe we're still arguing this absurdity.

[Kurando]

There are threads in JP and DE also discussing this several days later. Would you also like to go to those and state that the opinions of the players there are being wasted on nothing but an absurdity? Some people feel strongly which is normal, but I mean you could just not say anything...

[Sigma-Astra]

There are threads in JP and DE also discussing this several days later. Would you also like to go to those and state that the opinions of the players there are being wasted on nothing but an absurdity? Some people feel strongly which is normal, but I mean you could just not say anything...

Yes, because this has been going on for multiple days about an item that harms absolutely no one with other people having, but yet, we're still on the debate between some people of who honestly deserves it and who doesn't. Basically what Mal said earlier.

"It's mine, not yours"

It's beyond silly and absurd.

If you disagree with my opinion, good sir, you too can also feel free to just not say anything. It works both ways. ;P

[Canadane]

Well "harm" may not be the right word, but it absolutely negatively affects many people.
If it didn't, you wouldn't have such topics like these, especially across multiple languages.

[Kurando]

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But who cares. If you bring nothing to the debate but are happy to ridicule others as being "absurd", you mustn't be a very nice person to begin with. Allow others players to discuss it further if they so wish but don't discredit them, you just create the sense of self rightouesness.

[Ruf]

I cannot believe we're still arguing this absurdity.

^

this absurdity.

Anyway,

There are threads in JP and DE also discussing this several days later

french community claim that this is humiliating to legacy players also.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ion-des-legacy
threads/373338-La-fête-de-la-Commémoration-2018-humiliation-des-legacy