White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Lambdafish]

Should these players that then want to give it another go, (but unsync as there is less pressure) be locked out of trying the content in the future that they rightly pay to have access to?

You pay for access to the servers and a right to have content (rewards are not content) provided to you. You do not pay for the completion of said content, nor the rewards that are provided for completing said content. The current system of unsync is a luxury to those who don't participate in anything above casual content, it is not a right just because you pay your sub. Also, the game not existing in the future is an extremely bad argument for implementing poorly designed systems, you might as well be saying "The game won't exist one day so whats the point in even making it good?"

To counter your point, unsync actually makes experiencing old content even harder for new players, because nobody ever needs to run them synced ever again. If any new players want to experience coil, or any of the old extreme primals synced, they have an uphill battle to do so. If we are running with your point about paying a sub (and letting everyone enjoy the game), shouldn't they be entitled to have the system removed because it prevents them from experiencing the content in a form that actually has mechanics?

I'm not saying unsynced should be removed though, it has its benefits when it comes to progression and gating (steps of faith, praetorium etc.), but the rewards should most definitely be removed to give back incentive to running it synced. That way everyone gets to benefit, and we would see players wanting to run the content synced again, allowing newer players to have a wider range of content to participate in, while not locking more casual players from experiencing the content itself. I don't ever see this happening, but saying that unsynced is perfect as is is either naive or entitled.


And this is the exact same argument for the white raven earrings, it all comes down to the devs not respecting player accomplishment, and recklessly steamrolling through any hard work that anyone in the game has done. There are many simple ways this could have been avoided, the popular one being replica earrings. If they had done that then everyone would be happy, but just like with unsync, they didn't and the accomplishment is ignored.

[Kurando]

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So essentially your mentality is "I did this synced and got the rewards how it was supposed to be, but no one else should get anything unsync because they don't deserve it".

It's a right as a subscriber to eventually get access to whatever content they want just like everyone else can, whether you get rewarded for it or not. Unless you prefer to lock players out of content? If stuff is dated, then it's dated, having to do something sync suddenly isn't going to make it worth it. Who is going to do Coils synced these days? Not that many because the rewards just aren't exclusive enough to justify doing it. If you couldn't unsync or the reward wasn't worth it, you can bet certain content in this game would just die and barely be touched at all.

[Lambdafish]

It's a right as a subscriber to eventually get access to whatever content they want just like everyone else can, whether you get rewarded for it or not.

reward
/rɪˈwɔːd/
noun
1.
a thing given in recognition of service, effort, or achievement.
"the holiday was a reward for 40 years' service with the company"
synonyms: recompense, prize, prize money, winnings, purse, award, honour, decoration, profit, advantage, benefit, bonus, plus, premium; bounty, price; present, gift, tip, gratuity, inducement, carrot, payment, consideration, return, requital; informalpay-off, cut, perk; formalperquisite; archaicguerdon, meed
"the dog's owners have offered a reward for its safe return"


If you read my comment again, I actually said that people should have access to the content through unsync, just not the rewards. Your comment is very accurate, you are just confusing the reward with the content itself, they are not one in the same, and should not be treated the same. Also, my mentality has nothing to do with my own personal experience, don't go on the defensive and point the finger at me, just because I hold a different opinion. I just want the game to be as healthy as it can possibly be, and I just don't see that with many of the design decisions that have happened.

[Mahrze]

If you read my comment again, I actually said that people should have access to the content through unsync, just not the rewards. Your comment is very accurate, you are just confusing the reward with the content itself, they are not one in the same, and should not be treated the same.

Can't have one without the other, mate. Thus, be it a slip of wording or interpretation. Content and Reward go hand in hand, as pedantic as you want to be.

[Stormfur]

Nobody, unless they like a challenge, is going to go back and do all these old fights synced just to get a reward. Not when they can do them unsynced and power through them in minutes.

I mean...I got all the ARR ponies (including nightmare) doing the fights as normal (and let me tell you, nightmare was a nightmare!). I also got the HW birds doing those fights as normal and the SB wolves at their normal stages as well. But you don't see me whinging about how it's not fair that other people got them faster/easier than I did because they did the fights unsynced and got the exact same items I did, just at a later time.

I don't care, because that's how I chose to spend my time, and I like the challenge. I don't think any less of players who go in and get their birds/ponies/wolves the "easy" way, because at the end of the day, it's just a game, and there are far greater things worthy of my concern than whether or not Joe Gamer over here got a thing in a digital world.

[Adeacia]

I was not playing in 1.0. I didn't even have anything to play the game on at the time.

I picked up the earrings last night and my reaction was "All that fuss, over THIS?" It isn't good for combat, and all accessories are barely visible on a character anyway so they are useless for glam. Why get so mad over an item most people didn't even know existed? I wasn't aware they did until this fuss started on the forums.

I'm going to put them the same place I put the rest of my glam accessories: on a retainer since I'll never use the things.

[Canadane]

I was not playing in 1.0. I didn't even have anything to play the game on at the time.

I picked up the earrings last night and my reaction was "All that fuss, over THIS?" It isn't good for combat, and all accessories are barely visible on a character anyway so they are useless for glam. Why get so mad over an item most people didn't even know existed? I wasn't aware they did until this fuss started on the forums.

I'm going to put them the same place I put the rest of my glam accessories: on a retainer since I'll never use the things.

It's not really about the item itself, it's the idea that a trophy item promised to be exclusive, is no longer exclusive. What the item is, is not relivant.
Also, you can put them in your armoire to save retainr space.

[Lambdafish]

It's not really about the item itself, it's the idea that a trophy item promised to be exclusive, is no longer exclusive. What the item is, is not relivant.
Also, you can put them in your armoire to save retainr space.

It actually goes beyond this. I've seen people say "This is what all the fuss is about? Its just an earring with no stats, I cant even see it on my character very well". That fact alone shows that the devs have failed to understand the appeal of the earrings, they arent nice to look at, they arent valuable to a battle, and they don't mean anything to anyone except those that cleared Nael. The earrings in their entirety are nothing but representation that you beat that fight, and the fact that I have seen people totally uninterested in them as rewards really highlights that fact, and how much of a slip up this is.

I also want to clarify my statement before anyone makes this about my personal benefit: I started playing shortly before 2.1 came out, I have not played 1.0 and do not own any of the exclusive items available to 1.0 players.

[Hazama999]

/shrug

Meh. The rewards are outdated, so I don't see why people couldn't just unsync the content to get them. People grinded so and so primal 99 times for the mount and someone else got it after 5 tries a few years later? Oh, woe is me.

How utterly... unenergetic, how utterly insignificant this whole thing seems to me. If people place so much value in online trinkets instead of the experience and the memory of it all, by all means, do so. Go ahead, drown in that glass of water.

[Coombah]

Snip-Great post! Thank you for sharing

absolutely agree, that’s one of the main reasons why people are still fond of their time in 1.0. When I played you actually felt like part of a community and the feeling of adventure was emphasized because of it.


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