White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Niwashi]

However you can't just stomp your way through the original Nael Deus Darnus. It's unavailable. Meaning the difficulty was as it was, and never got easier.

— never until now ... unless calling this year's Rising event "The Calamity Returns to Ul'dah" means something other than the obvious.

It sounds as though we're helping that reporter write the story of the calamity by reviewing (reliving) what happened at the time. In which case, we're getting a version that tells the same story, but without the difficulty. Is that all that different from doing level 50 content as an unsynced level 70? Both seem to have the same issue of rewards that were once hard to obtain becoming easier as the content becomes easy. If your real problem is that you don't like the idea of hard content becoming easy content, then you've got a lot more to be bothered by than this event or its rewards.

[Emstidor]

But the only reason people can't attempt and finish the fight today is because it was implemented on an different game engine that SE obviously stopped supporting. That's the big technical reason behind the 1.0/2.0 split, no matter how cool the narrative window dressing ended up being.

Anyone is free today to go back and clear Coil, or Alexander, and reap the rewards, but 1.0 is completely off limits more for technical reasons than any other reason I can justify. Otherwise I'm sure Nael would fall somewhere in between the Savage fights in terms of actual difficulty (the tedium of having to have forbidden-melded gear in 1.0's horrid system or having to farm that consumable that protected you from some of his attacks aside.)

The only true in-game legacy-guaranteed item is the chocobo, which at least for me is already a cool enough thing to have that nobody else who is new will ever get. Everything else from 1.0 proper, including items, titles, the original goobbue mount, and the onion helmet/garlond goggles/asuran armguards/Hermes' shoes are all subject to being brought back at the developers' whim.

Back in 1.0 I was like you Canadane in that we were two of literally dozens(!) of people who leveled the near-useless Fisher class to a high enough level to get not only the cool 1.0-exclusive player titles, but if you did the whopping three job quests available you got the rare Star-Spangled Subligar. The same subligar that SE brought back literally years ago, to much acclaim by the playerbase. I think 1.0 players are too quick to claim an entire database's worth of items as off-limits just to maintain their sense of exclusivity, when in truth they'll always be unique enough just for literally having been there at a time when many others couldn't or wouldn't.

[ko_]

See the thing is, the accomplishment of the fight was never diminished. You can unsync through coil or you can simply buy some of the replica glamour (note it's specifically a replica). The fights aren't worth much these days.
However you can't just stomp your way through the original Nael Deus Darnus. It's unavailable. Meaning the difficulty was as it was, and never got easier. So you can't just say "oh you did this terribly hard thing five youears ago, your trophy is worthless" when they did something few others did.

Yeah it's just an earring. But that earring was never the point of the fight. People didn't even know it existed before going into the fight. An NPC later on after winning slipped it into your inventory without a log notice. The silent nod for the accomplishment. Nobody fought for the earring. Making the earring all that much more special in the end.

Now what if it wasn't an earring? Ultimate fights you cannot unsync. Your ilvl is even synced down to what was the cap at the time of the fight. In five years from now if they start handing out UwU weapons to people during an event, that wouldn't be cool.
What if The Feast seasonal trophies were up for grabs with Wolf Marks down the line? Also not cool. The fact the White Ravens are earrings doesn't change what's happening here.

The only difference being in your example it's still in the game. The fight from 1.0 is dead and isn't in any of the game anymore so you kindof can't compare the two.

[Cabalabob]

Soon as I saw those white ravens in the reward list I knew s**t was gonna hit the fan. Honestly this thread took longer to pop up than I thought it would.

But really, people were already disappointed that all they got for beating the hardest fight in 1.0 was a pair of barely visible earrings to show their accomplishment and now even that’s being taken away. I can see why they’re upset.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Soon as I saw those white ravens in the reward list I knew s**t was gonna hit the fan. Honestly this thread took longer to pop up than I thought it would.

There were a couple of threads posted a month or so ago when the rewards were datamined, by people trying to point out that this was stupid and should be changed. Because they believe(d) Square listen to feedback.

The threads were all deleted because it was based on information obtained via datamining. Information that was confirmed today, because... well the information was datamined, not made up.

Y'know, to fully illustrate how much people care versus how little Square does.

[Odstarva]

There were a couple of threads posted a month or so ago when the rewards were datamined, by people trying to point out that this was stupid and should be changed. Because they believe(d) Square listen to feedback.

The threads were all deleted because it was based on information obtained via datamining. Information that was confirmed today, because... well the information was datamined, not made up.

Y'know, to fully illustrate how much people care versus how little Square does.

And who are these people? These people that care? You mean the minority inside a minority? Because the vast majority of us aren't legacy players, and I'm hopeful that it's only a loud minority among those legacy players whining about this.
They should be happy there's even an anniversary to celebrate, rather than try to be all about "my legacy status".

The only thing that's special about the people complaining about this is that they were willing to spend money on a (then) failing game. That's it. Period.
Makes me wonder, did they even support the game because they loved it? Or just because they wanted exclusive items, a chance to be 'special', in recognition (lol) for throwing money at a dying game?


The developers have shown their appreciation for those players already. If they feel less special now, well, it's because they aren't.

[Darrcyphfeid]

And who are these people? These people that care?

In all honesty? Probably permanently banned from the forums because they had the audacity to see something posted on Reddit and came here hoping to see a change implemented. Y'know, this being the official forums and all.

They should be happy there's even an anniversary to celebrate, rather than try to be all about "my legacy status".

You should be grateful that you have a baby MMO that caters to the whims of the most casual audience, built on the backs of an entire company spurred on by the unwavering support of a not insignificant number of lifelong fans of this series. Square, as a collective whole, should get on their knees every single day and be grateful that they have a job and can support their families because of those people bailing them out.

But no. Let's instead attack our fellow players, call them snowflakes and play make believe that anything in this game means a damn thing. I'm sure Square can count on your support if XVII launches out of the gate with a limp? I didn't think so.

Makes me wonder, did they even support the game because they loved it? Or just because they wanted exclusive items, a chance to be 'special', in recognition (lol) for throwing money at a dying game?

Most Legacy players that I've met, here on XIV and over on XI, actually liked 1.X. Warts and all. Many actually preferred it to 2.0+, which... happens to be why they're playing XI instead. Go figure, right?

[Odstarva]

In all honesty? Probably permanently banned from the forums because they had the audacity to see something posted on Reddit and came here hoping to see a change implemented. Y'know, this being the official forums and all.


You should be grateful that you have a baby MMO that caters to the whims of the most casual audience, built on the backs of an entire company spurred on by the unwavering support of a not insignificant number of lifelong fans of this series. Square, as a collective whole, should get on their knees every single day and be grateful that they have a job and can support their families because of those people bailing them out.

But no. Let's instead attack our fellow players, call them snowflakes and play make believe that anything in this game means a damn thing. I'm sure Square can count on your support if XVII launches out of the gate with a limp? I didn't think so.


Most Legacy players that I've met, here on XIV and over on XI, actually liked 1.X. Warts and all. Many actually preferred it to 2.0+, which... happens to be why they're playing XI instead. Go figure, right?

Your arguments would carry weight, if:

A) I cared about what other people are playing. Legacy or otherwise, what you do with your free time is your own business. If they like playing XI, that's what it's there for.
B) All legacy players got for their patronage were the earrings, which is not the case.
C) Legacy players, which already have plenty of exclusives, weren't acting so entitled in the forums. How dare the devs give non-legacy players an item, any item, that we've had as an exclusive for five years.


And you are absolutely right, I probably wouldn't support a game I didn't like. And if I did like it, and decided to support it? Playing it would have been reward enough.
I can't well express how little I cared for the earrings, until you and your's brought attention to it. I think it will have the opposite effect of what you were trying to achieve.

[BristolRuss]

They should be happy there's even an anniversary to celebrate, rather than try to be all about "my legacy status".

This. If it wasn't for Yoshi coming along and saving the game they wouldn't even have anywhere to complain about not having an exclusive item anymore.

The only thing that's special about the people complaining about this is that they were willing to spend money on a (then) failing game. That's it. Period.
Makes me wonder, did they even support the game because they loved it? Or just because they wanted exclusive items, a chance to be 'special', in recognition (lol) for throwing money at a dying game?


The developers have shown their appreciation for those players already. If they feel less special now, well, it's because they aren't.

Also, this. Not to mention the fact that during a large part of 1.0 the game didn't even have a sub, and when they did finally reintroduce it it was at $9.99, a price they still pay to this day. So, actually, players who started playing in 2.0 have actually paid more in sub fees than legacy players, and thus have supported the game more.

[Yoruichi4478]

This. If it wasn't for Yoshi coming along and saving the game they wouldn't even have anywhere to complain about not having an exclusive item anymore.


Also, this. Not to mention the fact that during a large part of 1.0 the game didn't even have a sub, and when they did finally reintroduce it it was at $9.99, a price they still pay to this day. So, actually, players who started playing in 2.0 have actually paid more in sub fees than legacy players, and thus have supported the game more.

That's a slap in the face to every 1.0 player who stuck that version of the game out. 2.0 players support the game more because they pay the normal, standard sub fee? Poppycock! We have supported the game from the very start, you have this game in part due to the fact that there was a small population of us who didn't desert the game and showed SE ppl were logging in and playing despite the failed launch. Entitled? Not at all, just stop dumping on us, we did the hard work, you get to enjoy the reboot. The reduced sub was part of the ty for playing a failed game, doesn't make those of us benefiting from it, supporting it any less.