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    let me ride off with my 7 aulus chairs and 10 armor sets in peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    The whole point of having Ultimate is for the people that want a challenge. It wouldn't make sense to ease something that exists solely to be hard. And it would make even less sense to just hand out the rewards from it to anybody.
    Ironically like ultimate the whole point of "The Raven, Nevermore" which is the fight in which players got those earrings was solely for players who wanted to challenge themselves at the end of 1.23. It existed solely to be hard. Which is why people say they shouldn't just hand out the reward to anybody.

    To take it further the same could be said for savages and extreme trials. After all Those modes exist solely to be hard.so where's the sense in making them easier or unsyncable or making the rewards easier to get? They exist only to be hard.
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    The way I see it, exclusivity in a game is really dumb. It's just pixels - it has no actual value. The value you're supposed to get from the game is if you enjoyed <insert content>. In this case, these White Raven Earrings - nothing is detracting from the sentimental value you might have garnered from receiving them if you had played 1.0 and earned them. However, they are still just pixels that can poof at any moment along with the game. Husband argues as long as it has game play value, then it shouldn't be just given out (in which these earrings offer none - just as ultimate won't come the next expansion and SB instances become enabled for unsync).
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Still loving how people keeping saying it doesn't matter for various unimportant reasons when the following question is all that matters.

    Why do people who have not done the content, receive the reward from that content???

    In the end any person would say that they don't deserve it, in this case people who have not done the hardest boss fight in 1.x do not deserve the earrings. Period

    Easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviars View Post
    Still loving how people keeping saying it doesn't matter for various unimportant reasons when the following question is all that matters.

    Why do people who have not done the content, receive the reward from that content???

    In the end any person would say that they don't deserve it, in this case people who have not done the hardest boss fight in 1.x do not deserve the earrings. Period

    Easy
    You can repeat this ad nauseum, but unfortunately for you the authority on who deserves what in this game disagrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixxe View Post
    You can repeat this ad nauseum, but unfortunately for you the authority on who deserves what in this game disagrees.
    Another example of people not answering the question haha.

    People like you can parrot the ToS or keep saying SE can do whatever it wants but at the end of the day we are offering actual opinions to the problem. You guys act like the community can't have a opinion because what SE says is final.

    So I guess 24 man loot rules should/should've stayed the way they were despite people heavily disliking it?

    I can name other things that the community vehemently disliked and voiced opinions and I highly doubt you and your kind would come in parroting the ToS, or maybe u would, idk. Please offer a real argument, thanks
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    Nael wasn't removed from the game for very long. Nael was added as a fight back in ARR and was roughly the same in terms of difficult as the 1.0 fight.

    So I'm not really sure why there's this weird push to act like players don't deserve the earrings when anyone who has played this game for any length of time has very likely beat numerous bosses that were equal to or harder than Nael's 1.0 battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    The way I see it, exclusivity in a game is really dumb. It's just pixels - it has no actual value. The value you're supposed to get from the game is if you enjoyed <insert content>. In this case, these White Raven Earrings - nothing is detracting from the sentimental value you might have garnered from receiving them if you had played 1.0 and earned them. However, they are still just pixels that can poof at any moment along with the game. Husband argues as long as it has game play value, then it shouldn't be just given out (in which these earrings offer none - just as ultimate won't come the next expansion and SB instances become enabled for unsync).
    Yet if they are just pixels and have no value, why would anyone care if they were unobtainable? This argument comes up way too many times. They obviously hold value, it's being purposefully misleading.

    We could all unknowingly be wiped out within the hour by a space-born object. Does that somehow detract from the Iron Ring's meaning before then? It is just a piece of metal after all? No, it doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Nael wasn't removed from the game for very long. Nael was added as a fight back in ARR and was roughly the same in terms of difficult as the 1.0 fight.

    So I'm not really sure why there's this weird push to act like players don't deserve the earrings when anyone who has played this game for any length of time has very likely beat numerous bosses that were equal to or harder than Nael's 1.0 battle.
    You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiraelina View Post
    You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?
    Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

    Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

    Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.
    It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.
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