White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Noodle_Trinidad]

Right. So, it's yet another case of of a vocal minority demanding that the status quo is preserved so they can feel 'special'. I'm not going to beat around the bush - I have never seen a single person using the earrings on Balmung, a server with quite a few players from the days of 1.0. I don't doubt that they were thrown into a retainer's inventory or armoire to gather dust until this controversy arose and those who had acquired them recalled that they exist.

Vocal Minority or not it has been proven multiple times that the Devs themselves confirmed the status of White Ravens to be unobtainable by all who were not only 1.0 players but to those 1.0 players who even bothered to do the fight in the first place. What was done to them by people who owned them to this day, regardless of being glammed or thrown into the armoire, is irrelevant because as it stands its the only actual trophy any of the people had to clear. I'll repeat this again, I don't honestly care that they bring back 1.0 items as long as its done in a proper tribute such as recreation of said trials but if the item in question has a promised attached to it to become a memento purely for those who played the game when it was in dire straits then it must be honored.

A dev that constantly breaks promises is one you can not trust at all and its up to the community to make sure they uphold a high degree of standards when it comes to said promises. Were it an issue with Ultimate or PvP losing their status because they suddenly started giving out their rewards in the way they did the White Ravens you better be sure that I'll be ready to criticize the devs for failing to once again uphold a promise to their community and the core audience of those gamemodes. Time that passes is irrelevant and what the players who have them do with them is irrelevant, the only thing that matters here is if the Devs are keeping their word or not.

[Zsolen]

^This

So much salt towards people who have things they don't. To the point where they are just accusing everyone of "bragging" or needing to feel "special" just because they have an achievement or rewards that they don't have.

It's sad, but I have exact examples of what you are pointing out Lambda. I've had people in-game get salty about my mount collection to the point where I ended up feeling insecure about even using my favourite mounts because people would accuse me of showing off or bragging. Like, I want to use my favourite mounts because I like them, not to brag. Just because someone personally likes their accomplishments doesn't mean they are using it to brag or want to use it to brag.

It also feels so crappy when you get a rare item you've been working on trying to get but you feel like you can't even share your happiness with anyone else because they'll label you a show off or bragging that you obtained it. Even with people who you thought were supposed to be friends. Even in mount farming groups just winning the roll can turn people against you immediately and become openly rude in chat.

To me naming it replica is the most reasonable and logical win-win solution; both sides get what they want.

By the way, I never earned the earrings in 1.0. Have to mention that before anyone accuses me of just wanting my "bragging rights" or "special" status. Kinda destroys a lot of people's arguments when there are people like me around that you can't throw all of these baseless accusations at to try to devalue their position as just being a show off.

I agree that we need much more civilized approaches to this discussion. I think the differences with mounts is that mounts can still be obtained at any point. Anyone that gives you issue over a mount that they could obtain is causing the problem. Not you. I think the exception is the one type of goobbue. Even then, no one should be shamed into not showing something. I would have been good with the replica suggestion for the earrings. However, I don't think it is a bad thing that an item no longer obtainable would be re-introduced.

[Miste]

I think the differences with mounts is that mounts can still be obtained at any point. Anyone that gives you issue over a mount that they could obtain is causing the problem. Not you. I think the exception is the one type of goobbue. Even then, no one should be shamed into not showing something. I would have been good with the replica suggestion for the earrings. However, I don't think it is a bad thing that an item no longer obtainable would be re-introduced.

I wasn't telling my experiences in-game about my mounts to link the mounts to the earrings as an exact comparison, it was an example of the behavior that Lambda pointed out.

While not a direct comparison, it is still in the same ballpark though, because people seem to think that the only reason people want to keep the white ravens from 1.0 separate from the ones in the 2018 rising event is just to brag and lord their accomplishment over others. It is an extremely biased accusation, and honestly likely only used to try to devalue the position so they don't even need to argue the real points or look at this from a diplomatic standpoint.

To me, even though I never obtained the earrings in 1.0, I am trying to look at this from a logical standpoint. Instead of mocking people who care about something I might not care about, or mocking people for not caring about what I might care about, I figure a solution that would let both sides get what they want makes the most logical sense.

Naming it replica is logical since the 2018 rising event version of the earrings are not obtained the same way as they were in 1.0. In fact it is extremely different.

1.0 players who care get to keep their 1.0 version intact.
New players get a new item they never had access to before for glams and such, and a new link to 1.0 so they can enjoy being part of the story up to this point even if they weren't there for 1.0.

[Zsolen]

Yeah, I know they are going with the 'gloating' angle, and I don't think that is the best argument.

In order of personal preference:

Introducing Replica > Re-introducing original > Locking out glamour all together

[Thamorian]

Your "apology" is not accepted.

Sorry, your opinion is not valid on this one.

[Noodle_Trinidad]

Best solution would have been to re-introduce them in a style akin to the Sylphic Goobue and the 1.0 Goobue. Similar in nature but properly distinguishable.

[Zsolen]

Sorry, your opinion is not valid on this one.

It's not an opinion to not accept an apology, and you can't force someone to accept an apology.

Best solution would have been to re-introduce them in a style akin to the Sylphic Goobue and the 1.0 Goobue. Similar in nature but properly distinguishable.

I disagree. If people wanted it as glamour, they may not want the new look. That puts us back at square one.

[Alenonimo]

A hundred and two pages of people pissed off because of earrings?!

You guys got to play a different game with a different story that nobody else will ever have the chance to play because the game is freaking gone and you're complaining about exclusivity?! About other people having a crappy earring that only you had? Were you support to the game only conditional to receiving a virtual bauble?

You know what? Tough luck. They gave the item for free to everybody. Deal with it. What are you gonna do? Cancel your subscription? Because of a digital bijou? Geez!

This game already have a serious issue with exclusive items. Housing is freaking hell to get into. PVP items that only a bunch of people can ever get. Items that you need to pay real money to get because you didn't had the foresight to play the game at a certain date in the past, making catching up financially unfeasible. Exclusivity and gate keeping is already pretty annoying as it is. And you come here to complain about a earring?

Go cry me a river!

Great. Now I'm pissed too.

[Liale]

Personally, the people complaining should be happy he answered at all since there are a number of worse problems that could use some addressing. Also, I read through the white raven threads and most of what i saw was 2-3 people per thread arguing with EVERY other person in the thread. So yeah, vocal minority. I do understand where people are coming from when they say they were counting on SE's word about exclusivity. However, there have been a lot of times where the devs have said they would never do something or were going to do something and then either didn't or did do it. The devs are concerned with making money, they will do what they believe will bring them the most income. While I do agree about them keeping their word being important, i find being so concerned about a pair of earrings i've never seen a single person wear to be trivial. Now the dalamud horn, sure I have seen lots of people wear that and be proud of it but never the white raven earrings.

Also, you still have your exclusive chocobo, they can't introduce that since it has a lore component, and your reduced sub fee, something I am actually jealous of. Be happy for what you do have.

Finally, to the person complaining about not using mounts because of their friends being jealous of it, that says more about your friends then it does about your argument. You should be worried more about getting better friends.

[ErryK]

Looking forward to seeing replicas of all other legacy rewards, it's okay because they have the word 'replica' before them!