We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Sigma-Astra]

Exactly, their both card game. These games don't HAVE to follow the current system. Games evolve and get better. Just because something was in FFVIII doesn't mean it HAS to be in FFXIV for the same reason Fallout doesn't need to follow FFVIII. FFXIV can be different then it is now. It doesn't have to follow the archaic systems designed to waste a player's time. It can be better unlike what Fyce is suggesting.

.....I think you missed the main point I was getting at with that analogy. Certain genres of games follow certain rules, that's how they stay within that genre. That's how the genres all have their own identities. You shouldn't find puzzles within a fighting game no more than you should find platforming in a racing game. Rules were made for a reason. We need the genres to have specific identifiers or players, as well as consumers, would never know what on earth they're buying into.

Games don't evolve and get better by breaking their own house rules. Technology and design evolves and makes them better. There's a difference. Blackjack will still follow it's own rules and so will Texas Hold 'Em whether they're both card games or not, and no matter how much they improve on the physical cards themselves.

You're not going to play Blackjack with another set of rules that weren't designed to be played with Blackjack.

MMO's have always been about grinds since Everquest. That's not going to change whether you care to admit towards it or not. An MMO is designed to keep players interested for a longer amount of time than a single player turnout can. Once you're done with a single player game, you usually never go back to it. The whole point of an MMO is to keep coming back to it since that's how the company makes money.

What you're suggesting is that they essentially and purposely sabotage themselves and go bankrupt by enforcing single player game rules into a multi-player game possibly or change the design, but you didn't really give any good ideas or substance regarding that.

You don't walk into a casino with a want to play Blackjack at a Poker table. That's not how it works.

[Lorgana]

I'm pretty sure we've got to the point where its become clear again that the dude just wants the gear but doesn't want to do any of the work outside their niche. If it was really about just ilevel you'd have done any of the suggestions that have already been put on offer, hell people who don't care about BIS have a higher ilevel than me and I'm a BIS tank and I've been stuck there for months.

Just like in life the rewards you get in this game are directly proportional to the effort that you put in. Considering all the excuses I'm seeing here you aren't willing to put in any effort that takes you out of your comfort zone, so that's where you'll be stuck.

Just gonna casually drop this in here again. Though at this point I'm beginning to wonder if the dude is just trolling, if so bravo good sir

[Edax]

.....I think you missed the main point I was getting at with that analogy. Certain genres of games follow certain rules, that's how they stay within that genre. That's how the genres all have their own identities. You shouldn't find puzzles within a fighting game no more than you should find platforming in a racing game. Rules were made for a reason. We need the genres to have specific identifiers or players, as well as consumers, would never know what on earth they're buying into.

Games don't evolve and get better by breaking their own house rules. Technology and design evolves and makes them better. There's a difference. Blackjack will still follow it's own rules and so will Texas Hold 'Em whether they're both card games or not, and no matter how much they improve on the physical cards themselves.

You're not going to play Blackjack with another set of rules that weren't designed to be played with Blackjack.

MMO's have always been about grinds since Everquest. That's not going to change whether you care to admit towards it or not. An MMO is designed to keep players interested for a longer amount of time than a single player turnout can. Once you're done with a single player game, you usually never go back to it. The whole point of an MMO is to keep coming back to it since that's how the company makes money.

What you're suggesting is that they essentially and purposely sabotage themselves and go bankrupt by enforcing single player game rules into a multi-player game possibly or change the design, but you didn't really give any good ideas or substance regarding that.

You don't walk into a casino with a want to play Blackjack at a Poker table. That's not how it works.

What I am suggesting is that they can put the grind in better places. Boss fights do not need to be repetitive. Having to fight Ex-Death 30 times to get a single piece of armor was ridiculous. Especially since I could only form a party during a very narrow time slot in the evening. This was intentional design to waste time and this is suppose to be a game that provides entertainment fundamentally.

[Magic-Mal]

Can we please get back to a more... "varied" discussion? I really don't want the mods to come here and close the thread on the grounds of derailing or something.

[Lorgana]

What I am suggesting is that they can put the grind in better places. Boss fights do not need to be repetitive. Having to fight Ex-Death 30 times to get a single piece of armor was ridiculous. Especially since I could only form a party during a very narrow time slot in the evening. This was intentional design to waste time and this is suppose to be a game that provides entertainment fundamentally.

Ok here I'm gonna call bs, nobody ever had to do exdeath 30 times to get any specific piece of gear. Including in savage you only have to do any fight a maximum of 8 times to get the tokens required. Like I said you're either trolling or well I don't really know what the alternative is you don't really even seem to know how gear works

[Fyce]

It can be better unlike what Fyce is suggesting.

Implying that your definition of a "better game" is objective. Breaking news: it's not. By far.

Final Fantasy XIV is a game mostly about doing PvE combat related content and repeating it. That's it's main focus. That's what most people who play it are playing it for. (*At least when it comes to endgame objectives.)
If you don't like that main focus, it's not the game that has to change. You clearly are the anomaly here, playing a game about repeating combat content, without liking repeating combat content.

And I'm done. If you don't see why you are clearly the outliner here, arguing further would only result in me wasting my time.

Ok here I'm gonna call bs, nobody ever had to do exdeath 30 times to get any specific piece of gear. Including in savage you only have to do any fight a maximum of 8 times to get the tokens required. Like I said you're either trolling or well I don't really know what the alternative is you don't really even seem to know how gear works

It's not because I argue against Edax that I cannot get behind some of the points raised: yes, you can spend a lot of time trying to get 8 shafts on Exdeath/Kefka normal, especially when the loot rules get changed to allow everyone to hit Need without weekly restriction.

That being said, -and that's where my agreement with Edax comes to its end- it's not because it exists some exeptions where the loot rules are bad that the game must change its main focus entirely for someone who doesn't like it.
Said in another way, if you are at the point where you'd like the essence of the game to change, maybe it's time for you to change the game you're playing instead.

[Dualgunner]

There's always rocks to farm to satisfy your grinding urges.

There's always clear buying to satisfy your gearing urges.

That's usually tied to shady actions. It's impossible, for example, to carry someone through the extremely high end content in this game.

And RMT casually circulates through crafter pockets from people who aren't crafters but want to buy some of the more expensive new glamours, gearsets, etc.

[Sigma-Astra]

What I am suggesting is that they can put the grind in better places. Boss fights do not need to be repetitive. Having to fight Ex-Death 30 times to get a single piece of armor was ridiculous. Especially since I could only form a party during a very narrow time slot in the evening. This was intentional design to waste time and this is suppose to be a game that provides entertainment fundamentally.

Who on earth died and made you the spokesperson that determines whether or not a game provides entertainment for a large group of other people besides yourself...?

Where's a good gif for this scenario when I need one.

[MoroMurasaki]

What I am suggesting is that they can put the grind in better places. Boss fights do not need to be repetitive. Having to fight Ex-Death 30 times to get a single piece of armor was ridiculous. Especially since I could only form a party during a very narrow time slot in the evening. This was intentional design to waste time and this is suppose to be a game that provides entertainment fundamentally.

Why do you need top tier combat gear if you aren't going to do the content?

Why do you feel entitled to the rewards that others have to work hard for if you're unable or unwilling to put in the same effort?

If we could all purchase BiS crafting gear with some sort of combat resource you know the crafter and gatherer mains would be complaining that they couldn't get a fair value for their efforts.

Raid gear has value because some of it will invariably be BiS and because you get to it quick than other gear of the same quality. Letting people get that without raiding devalues raiding.

There is no argument you've made so far that makes sense here. Just stop. You're talking in circles because all your points have been invalidated. Give it a rest, you aren't entitled to raid gear if you aren't raiding any more than I am entitled to cheap food and pots if I'm not crafting and gathering.

Can we please get back to a more... "varied" discussion? I really don't want the mods to come here and close the thread on the grounds of derailing or something.

This is literally a discussion spawned from part of your original post. It's entirely on topic.

[Sigma-Astra]

Can we please get back to a more... "varied" discussion? I really don't want the mods to come here and close the thread on the grounds of derailing or something.

I don't think they do that unless people start like...flaming others like beforehand.