We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[SturmChurro]

Last I remember a good count for a subscription MMO was considered to be about 500k, which means this game already is doing pretty well being ahead of that. WoW is the exception to that rule that noone has been able to replicate, not consistently at least. Given that SE has still been adamant that they will not be moving XIV off the sub model they seem to be doing well enough.

God I hope they don't remove it off sub ever, and make it buy to play or something.

[MsMisato]

Last I remember a good count for a subscription MMO was considered to be about 500k, which means this game already is doing pretty well being ahead of that. WoW is the exception to that rule that noone has been able to replicate, not consistently at least. Given that SE has still been adamant that they will not be moving XIV off the sub model they seem to be doing well enough.

sub base is good, roughly 600k according to ffxiv census which only takes active subs that completed 4.1 according to them.

Nah the sub model is here to stay. They give us 2 options for subscription. Entry or Standard with Entry being limited to 8 characters 1 per world and then we got are retainers if you want additional which I pretty sure everyone has at least 1 paid for retainer. it adds up fast and its a nice chunk of money in a month. Lets not forgot about the Mog Station items either.

They update regularly, they do implement things the community wants when they can they also implement bad things.

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But the FFXIV team really does need to streamline the MSQ section, take 2.1 - 2.55 quests (this was all the patches between ARR and Heavensward. 100 quests is a bit too much for filler. Keep dungeons and primals locked as usual though. But the fetch quests those need to be consolidated.

[CraftOs]

This thread is literally pointless. Vote with your wallets, not with your time. If you enjoy the game, keep paying and playing. If you don’t, stop, and play something else you enjoy more.

[Kalise]

This thread is literally pointless. Vote with your wallets, not with your time. If you enjoy the game, keep paying and playing. If you don’t, stop, and play something else you enjoy more.

The thread itself is not pointless.

It provides feedback. Which is the literal point of the forums.

You can enjoy the game, but dislike certain parts about it. Or be concerned about the direction its heading in.

Thus, provide feedback in hopes that maybe these things might be improved upon.

The thread has BECOME pointless, because it has gotten stuck basically on an argument about how the MSQ is apparently driving people away from the game (Which had it's own dedicated thread made quite recently)

[CraftOs]

The thread itself is not pointless.

It provides feedback. Which is the literal point of the forums.

You can enjoy the game, but dislike certain parts about it. Or be concerned about the direction its heading in.

Thus, provide feedback in hopes that maybe these things might be improved upon.

The thread has BECOME pointless, because it has gotten stuck basically on an argument about how the MSQ is apparently driving people away from the game (Which had it's own dedicated thread made quite recently)

I agree with you. However, you and I both know, that the developers rarely look at the forums, and would rather not look at them honestly. Because of how many hours they will have to spend implementing things that people want.

Which is probably why community reps forward certain things *selectively*, and for a reason too I suppose. I totally agree with you but let me ask you this:

How likely is it that any of this will actually happen? Because they didn’t implement Viera and Hrothgar’s headgear pieces until AFTER people were extremely upset. And if that’s what it takes to make a change in the development team...then sadly, FFXIV will not change. It’ll stay the same. And I think you know that.

That’s why I say this is all pointless. You need to negatively affect their reputation to immediately make them care again. Unless thousands of people unsub and give this thread insane support, Yoshida and the devs will continue the same patch and expansion forumla.

[Kieren-Dohla]

I agree. SE needs to really innovate rather that continue repeating the same old patterns all the time. I don't mind grinds so much as the fact the grinds feel all kinda the same. I think also since SE doesn't have serious competition they just rest on their Laurels and get by with what they can.

[MrKusakabe]

As someone who has stopped right after the credits of ARR and I am at my path to catch up to merely access Ishgard (according to the Wiki page) I counted it: 71 Quests.

As I clicked into some, I noticed their utter uselessness.

It is often like this:
*I teleport to Mor Dhona. Then I access an instance (whatever Headquarter).
*Either Tataru or Minfillia is giving me random stuff that is not quit heroic and feels like I asked them about their daily routine.
*I check the map, figure out far-away location and mousewheel-click while the map is all over my screen, tapping the cursor buttons here and here to adjust my path.
*I get off my Magitech machine, right click the NPC, get some "Oh hai Warrior of Light, can you do bring this letter to some person in hearing range 5 meters from here?"
I* click the inventory, hand over the note to the guy 5 meter away. He says: "Mh, I gotta see Minfilia over this. See you there".
*I teleport back.
*Minfillia knows now all from that mysterious person. Me: USE YOUR LINKPEARL MAYBE NEXT TIME?!

What I feel like is that the writers wanted to have many "objectives" in the list to make these tasks seem epic. I mean, try it yourself:

Just click into one of those.

In my last days couple of days, I have had several hide-and-seek quests ("Find the 3 hidden refugee children", "Find the members to hand out their blue uniforms in Mor Dhona", "Find these random refugees in Ul'Dah" etc.), or the legendary "Sniff the Chocobo" just to find out it does not matter anyways how much perfume you put on them.

When I was going to glamour, I had to get a drink to that NPC where the other NPC was literally saying why she did not walk over here herself. So the game is self-aware.

Even when it has something to do with the story, it is poorly constructed. E.g. my current position: Snowcloak.

(Exaggeration, but you get my point)
Mission 1: Check Rumors
Mission 2: Tell the Rumors to guy on top of a tower (This one NPC...Forgot the name)
Mission 3: Talk to guy at the bottom of the tower - and report to guy on top of the tower
Mission 4: Talk with Merchant - and report to guy on top of the tower
Mission 5: Walk 3 minutes trough snowy land and one-shot two dudes in robes
Mission 6: Talk to guy on top of the tower and ask other NPC for advice
Mission 7: Other NPC wish to investigate - tell these news to the guy in the tower
Mission 8: ...

All this comes up with a fancy MISSION COMPLETED and reward window that makes it feel so off. Like these educational games for MS-DOS where there is always a voice going "Yeahhh! YOU DID IT!!" with every minor task...

This is not cool. I am happy that I got some of those 71 "quests" off my back now. (I just want to be ready for my job quest which takes place in Ishgard as far as I am informed....Nothing else!!!)

Sincerely,


Errand boy and a.k.a. Warrior of Light

[Helbara]

As a new player I just don't get this game.
The gameplay is fun; the graphics are gorgeous; the combat is slow, but methodical and feels great when rotations are pulled off.

Then the part where I couldn't sell myself on another month after my first: The community.
I say something in Limsa Lominsa or Gridania asking a question and get ignored. But people happily talk to others' when someone asks to report a spammer or gold seller.
Or the near endless spam of emotes and people but the whole town feels soulless like I'm playing with NPCs that look like real characters.
I haven't posted much on the forums since I started and this will be my last post before I delete my account.
I'm not sure why Square Enix assumed players were getting stuck on the main story and quitting because of that, they should've made content to increase players talking to new players. (Yes, I joined the game because I thought it was a good time for it given covid and them cutting the fat on the campaign to get to the expansions)
I've managed to bare through it but can't get passed no one talking to me or at all.
Maybe that's the actual problem

I wish you all the best, sorry I wasn't cool enough to be a part of the gang <3

[Shougun]

As a new player I just don't get this game.
The gameplay is fun; the graphics are gorgeous; the combat is slow, but methodical and feels great when rotations are pulled off.

Then the part where I couldn't sell myself on another month after my first: The community.
I say something in Limsa Lominsa or Gridania asking a question and get ignored. But people happily talk to others' when someone asks to report a spammer or gold seller.
Or the near endless spam of emotes and people but the whole town feels soulless like I'm playing with NPCs that look like real characters.
I haven't posted much on the forums since I started and this will be my last post before I delete my account.
I'm not sure why Square Enix assumed players were getting stuck on the main story and quitting because of that, they should've made content to increase players talking to new players. (Yes, I joined the game because I thought it was a good time for it given covid and them cutting the fat on the campaign to get to the expansions)
I've managed to bare through it but can't get passed no one talking to me or at all.
Maybe that's the actual problem

I wish you all the best, sorry I wasn't cool enough to be a part of the gang <3

I'd suggest visiting Balmung (fairly busy server) and seeing how you feel about your experience then, just keep in mind there will be some restrictions when you're a visitor to another world: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...de/worldvisit/ .

[EaMett]

As a new player I just don't get this game.
The gameplay is fun; the graphics are gorgeous; the combat is slow, but methodical and feels great when rotations are pulled off.

Then the part where I couldn't sell myself on another month after my first: The community.
I say something in Limsa Lominsa or Gridania asking a question and get ignored. But people happily talk to others' when someone asks to report a spammer or gold seller.
Or the near endless spam of emotes and people but the whole town feels soulless like I'm playing with NPCs that look like real characters.
I haven't posted much on the forums since I started and this will be my last post before I delete my account.
I'm not sure why Square Enix assumed players were getting stuck on the main story and quitting because of that, they should've made content to increase players talking to new players. (Yes, I joined the game because I thought it was a good time for it given covid and them cutting the fat on the campaign to get to the expansions)
I've managed to bare through it but can't get passed no one talking to me or at all.
Maybe that's the actual problem

I wish you all the best, sorry I wasn't cool enough to be a part of the gang <3

There's also a novice network. Which is probably the most appropriate place to ask questions for newcomers. Sadly it isn't advertised well enough in-game.