We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[ApolloGenX]

I really like the MSQ and I have fun leveling certain jobs.

That's it.

The rest of the game is pointless and poorly designed."Raids" are nothing but ridiculous memorization and execution exams. I showed an extreme encounter to friends and we all laughed it it. It was silly and frenetic, and studying for something then executing is what you do in school. It was pretty much Dance Dance Revolution, the RPG. This game isn't innovating- it's training people like dogs for overly designed scripted events. (We did like the calculator event, though... that was nice and you actually solved a problem)

Tokens are a pointless treadmill for junk that will be obsolete.

Crafting is pointless because
1. Gear is pointless and
2. Housing is the worst version of housing I've ever seen in a game

What this game gets right-
Job system
Graphics
Game play of Jobs
Story lines (usually)
Music

End game is garbage
Communities are fairly non-existant (although there are many nice players)
Raiding is a joke
Gear is a joke
Recycled content in the form of "Extremes" is one of the laziest things I have seen out of games in the past decade

All in all, I like to level my characters, finish the story and cancel until more story is released. Rinse, repeat. There is no long term engagement worth note in the game currently.

(edit: I totally skipped Eureka... because I don't grind for garbage. When gear is disposable and doesn't last, I see no reason to invest into any grinds for gear)

[Renato]

It was a Piece of the Content, but Eureka dominates a huge Part of the Content at the moment, despite that around 1/3 of the Community does not play it, or completely stopped playing FF14 because of it coming back again and again.

I think this is my biggest issue personally. It's really the fact that FFXIV releases a large majority of bite-sized content but staggers it AND locks it behind caps to give the illusion of extending value of the expansion. This in a way forces people to want to play something else...The problem is that it's a sub-based game. For me, I constantly have the thought that I'm subbing to the game and not getting my money's worth because I'm bascially being told that I can only progress so far every week.

You cap out on tomes and have to wait a week to gather more. You cap out on the Doman Reconstruction. You cap out on 24-man and Savage gear.
The story can be finished in 1-2 hours. And since it's staggered, you've got to wait another 2-3 months for a conclusion.
At this point, you're just left running the same dungeons repeatedly for tomes (that are once again capped) or gear for glamour since it's pretty much worthless.

I enjoy the game because it is really a good FF game. It has a lot going for it but the way that it's run is VERY frustrating sometimes and I feel like that's why people either say that it's getting stale or there isn't much to do.

[SturmChurro]

I really like the MSQ and I have fun leveling certain jobs.

That's it.

The rest of the game is pointless and poorly designed."Raids" are nothing but ridiculous memorization and execution exams. I showed an extreme encounter to friends and we all laughed it it. It was silly and frenetic, and studying for something then executing is what you do in school. It was pretty much Dance Dance Revolution, the RPG. This game isn't innovating- it's training people like dogs for overly designed scripted events. (We did like the calculator event, though... that was nice and you actually solved a problem)

That's how like pretty much every other games is too though. Unless you are playing PvP or something (and that's awful in this game).

[ApolloGenX]

That's how like pretty much every other games is too though. Unless you are playing PvP or something (and that's awful in this game).

I don't know- I have yet to play another game (well RPG MMO) as frenetic and overly scripted as this one.

Of course other ones are scripted... many are little more than dps checks. This one is just overtly obnoxious about the team jump rope dance dance revolution feel.

For many games certain roles face mechanics throughout the fights- this game focuses on almost everyone experiencing every mechanic together and responding in synch. I suspect it's more because it's an Eastern developed game- not sure. But in any case, it is the most egregious at making gear throwaway, which affects so many other things.

You should also know that where I planned to have lunch likely has churros, and thanks to you I now feel compelled to get one. =-)

[MoroMurasaki]

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With all due respect the opinion of someone with no endgame experience on endgame content is kind of irrelevant. This would be like me saying I don't like basketball while also never doing more than perhaps watching it on tv. I have no idea if I like it because I haven't given it a chance. You're uninformed and it shows in your commentary.

[ApolloGenX]

With all due respect the opinion of someone with no endgame experience on endgame content is kind of irrelevant. This would be like me saying I don't like basketball while also never doing more than perhaps watching it on tv. I have no idea if I like it because I haven't given it a chance. You're uninformed and it shows in your commentary.

This is the same weak ad hominem that would ignore a doctor's advice that has never HAD drugs or an illness, ignore any advice unless someone had made the mistake already. In fact, in this universe the greatest words come from the biggest fools.. For some reason, you ignore the ability for any of us to go watch online encounters and form an opinion of whether that seems fun. I am happy if you enjoy this particular style of game play, more power to you. However, the attempt to discount another's perspective, unless they mirror your own experience is an unworthy position.

[MoroMurasaki]

This is the same weak ad hominem that would ignore a doctor's advice that has never HAD drugs or an illness. For some reason, you ignore the ability for any of us to go watch online encounters and form an opinion of whether that seems fun. I am happy if you enjoy this particular style of game play, more power to you. However, the attempt to discount another's perspective, unless they mirror your own experience is an unworthy position.

Please point out the ad hominem. I can wait.

You're claiming more than understanding of something you're saying it's "garbage" (a direct quote from you) without ever participating in it. Backpedal all you want but you've dug this hole. You have no experience to determine the quality of endgame content and from your "calculator" comment I'm inclined to think you may not even fully comprehend what endgame content is.

I have to assume you're referring to Construct 7 in the Ridorana Lighthouse. That is definitively not endgame. I'm not even a very good player and I've done that place drunk with my job stone removed and still outperformed many of the other players there. We had a LNC as top dps on Yiazmat (the boss after Construct 7) so like... no, that isn't endgame.

By all means unlock and queue into something like o8s and tell me that you're bored in there. Despite the script to some mechanics/damage it is the pace of a fight and the sheer number of incoming mechanics (many of which are actually varied in savage) that make the challenge real.

Endgame here is far from garbage and I won't sit here and let someone with no knowledge of it spread their rushed determination, thanks.

[ApolloGenX]

Please point out the ad hominem. I can wait.


Endgame here is far from garbage and I won't sit here and let someone with no knowledge of it spread their rushed determination, thanks.

Sure, you attacked me and my experience, making many assumptions- you didn't respond to my comments on the nature of the encounters and why I don't like them. You've clearly gotten emotional and there's no rational conversation when someone gets hysterical and defensive.

[SturmChurro]

Please point out the ad hominem. I can wait.

You're claiming more than understanding of something you're saying it's "garbage" (a direct quote from you) without ever participating in it. Backpedal all you want but you've dug this hole. You have no experience to determine the quality of endgame content and from your "calculator" comment I'm inclined to think you may not even fully comprehend what endgame content is.

I have to assume you're referring to Construct 7 in the Ridorana Lighthouse. That is definitively not endgame. I'm not even a very good player and I've done that place drunk with my job stone removed and still outperformed many of the other players there. We had a LNC as top dps on Yiazmat (the boss after Construct 7) so like... no, that isn't endgame.

By all means unlock and queue into something like o8s and tell me that you're bored in there. Despite the script to some mechanics/damage it is the pace of a fight and the sheer number of incoming mechanics (many of which are actually varied in savage) that make the challenge real.

Endgame here is far from garbage and I won't sit here and let someone with no knowledge of it spread their rushed determination, thanks.

Agreed. Watching a fight and playing the fight are two completely different things.

[CaedemSanguis]

I really like the MSQ and I have fun leveling certain jobs.

That's it.

The rest of the game is pointless and poorly designed."Raids" are nothing but ridiculous memorization and execution exams. I showed an extreme encounter to friends and we all laughed it it. It was silly and frenetic, and studying for something then executing is what you do in school. It was pretty much Dance Dance Revolution, the RPG. This game isn't innovating- it's training people like dogs for overly designed scripted events. (We did like the calculator event, though... that was nice and you actually solved a problem)

Tokens are a pointless treadmill for junk that will be obsolete.

Crafting is pointless because
1. Gear is pointless and
2. Housing is the worst version of housing I've ever seen in a game

What this game gets right-
Job system
Graphics
Game play of Jobs
Story lines (usually)
Music

End game is garbage
Communities are fairly non-existant (although there are many nice players)
Raiding is a joke
Gear is a joke
Recycled content in the form of "Extremes" is one of the laziest things I have seen out of games in the past decade

All in all, I like to level my characters, finish the story and cancel until more story is released. Rinse, repeat. There is no long term engagement worth note in the game currently.

(edit: I totally skipped Eureka... because I don't grind for garbage. When gear is disposable and doesn't last, I see no reason to invest into any grinds for gear)

LUL

to my mind the MSQ is the most boring content in this game, more than a "dance" its a one button gameplay