The burden of being in charge.

[Supergroovegear]

Maybe it's my military background coming in to play, but you make a mistake, you own up to it, you take whatever pushups from however many people you get, and you fix it.

You're implying he made a mistake.

He made an unpopular decision.

These are not the same thing.

[Soukyuu]

The community, begged, pleaded, then demanded and commanded, for server mergers. Now that they are getting it, they are crying like a bunch of witchy little girls.

Name me one person who is crying about the merge happening.

[Kraggy]

Should have considered the input of the players if he wanted to do what's best for the players.

It's as you said, it's the burden of being in charge. He should be used to it by now.

What the hell do you think he's doing NOW!

He IS considering player input, but there's no much negativity and intent to be upset and self-righteous indignation in some part of the 'community' he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

[Skies]

(that post was too huge to quote)

Ah, yes, I do see where you are coming from. Perhaps I am a bit biased here with XIV, as I kind of see them Experimenting with thing here, taking the chance that the game is essentially unreleased to try unique things and see how the playerbase responds. So i'm totally in favor of you guys raising a racket when things aren't good, but don't really put any blame in SE for actually trying the most bizarre sorts of things, since SOMEONE has to experiment and try or else the gamestyle stagnates.

That said, I had never been with XI before, and from what friends of mine tell me SE was equally obnoxious with it's ways back then too, so perhaps I shouldn't do that.

[KaiKatzchen]

Reading though here it seems some people don't really know why people were upset, but reprimand them for being upset anyway, and give wrong info.

This is how I see the general flow going...

- People wanted server mergers, but they figured it would go like FFXI did. World A and World B become New World 1. They would stay with their community, on both ends, and also get to meet people from the other community that they were merged in with.
I know myself, I have been playing this game (with no breaks) since closed beta so I know people on my server pretty well.

- Plan 4 was released
And while it does the merger, it was not widely popular because of the following reasons I saw people making:
*everyone had to move
*some people on servers couldn't come to an agreement on which world to move on as a whole
*was causing people to panic because they wanted their community to stay together

- This announcement causes a large majority of people (not all), on the EN forums and JP forums to get upset

- Some people (not all) are rude and do personal attacks, but a lot just seem to complain.
I hate when people lump everyone into one category 'well everyone was rude, all of you need to stop being babies blah blah' it's not EVERYONE. Don't blame the mass for what a group of people do.

- Considering the amount of thread and posts disliking it vs liking it, it seems SE realizes it's not a popular decision.

- SE is considering changing their mind.



Now, what do I think of all this?

Honestly, this is really the first thing that SE has done something that I haven't 100% agreed with.

I didn't rant
I didn't do personal attacks

But I did say compared to other ways this could be handled, this seemed to be a silly (and stressful on everyone) way of handling it. He also admitted it was one of the most time consuming and expensive ways of handling the merge, so to me (seeing we haven't been paying until last month) I don't know if I would go with the way that takes the most money.

If he kept going with idea 4 and made us all move would I rage? No, because in the end it is SE's and Yoshi's decision and I would respect that decision. Yoshi has done a lot for this game, and I think he's wonderful... but also game companies don't always make the right decisions just because they are game companies. That is obvious by how many games and MMO's just flop.

These forums were put here because SE wants’ our feedback, that is what we are supposed to be using them for. I'll continue to post my feedback if I agree or disagree with something SE is thinking of doing.

Personal attacks need to stop; these people are doing their jobs. Be respectful.

Criticism and Feedback in a constructive way are what this forum is for.

In the end I love FFXIV and I have been playing it a long time, but that doesn't mean I am always going to agree with SE. But it also doesn’t mean I'm going to rage quit if they do something I don't like. I'm a FF girl at heart <3

Yoshi keep doing what you do, and I'll keep giving feedback in a respectful way.

[Zezlar]

While I don't believe option 4 was the best decision, it's nothing I would personally attack Yoshi-P over. It's amazing to watch how fast a community can go from kissing his ass, to basically wanting him ousted over one decision.

As House says all the time: "You idiots."

I guarantee not one of us could fill his shoes for a single day with all the pressure he has to go through. It's his job to offer up suggestions, post them on the forums and get feedback, and then CHANGE them accordingly. So where in the hell that suggests he hates the community is beyond me.

[Efrye]

Hmm? To a degree, I would, yes. And yes, to a degree, I know exactly what I want from a movie. People aren't entirely stupid to where they can't pick up on the nuance, or figure out what they like and why.

Does that mean I can specifically angle a shot, or do lighting? Of course not. But I can tell you what I like and back it up with reason.

People are stupid. Maybe not you, maybe not everyone, but the majority is. And by "stupid" I mean they have no clue how games or movies work, and still they think their suggestions would make everything better and that making something different from what they want is a horrible mistake.

The movie analogy doesn't hold up well, because they are much more subjective than game mechanics. Usually what people want from movies is "better action scenes" and "more interesting characters", but an estimated 98.62% of them won't be able to tell you how to do it. As for games, I could give you a hundred example of things frequently requested by the community that would make things worse, and I could give you even more examples of things that are criticized simply because people don't understand how they ultimately benefit from it.

And that's fine, and we agree to an extent on this - but it's all irrelevant to my point. I did not say I was against EU servers, or entirely for Plan 2 - you assumed. That does not explain the lack of clear choice for those who desire, or the transfer of linkshells, or the limit before being randomly and arbitrarily assigned without excusing people who are not currently playing. These are things that unarguably cause confusion and threaten bonds and communication.

I didn't assume you want plan 2, but most people do without understanding the issues with that. So that's what would happen if the devs brainlessly followed what people want.

I'm not sure what you mean by "lack of clear choice", but linkshells don't get transferred for technical reasons. Unfortunate, but there's most probably no way around it. Assigning inactive people randomly was explained in Yoshis recent post, and I would say his reasoning is good enough. It only affects a very small minority, so in my opinion, deciding to ignore them in favor of the active players was the right call.

Now, we keep making fallacious appeals to authority here: Yoshi has very little MMO or serious game design experience, and has only done niche arcade games before this, nor does the consensus agree with him on things like these mergers.

The fact that he didn't direct any big project doesn't mean he's lacking the knowledge to do so. There are many awesome games out there that were directed by newcomers, oftentimes because they bring in fresh ideas that others didn't think of. Yoshi considered all the established merging options, but it seems he wanted to improve on that. And that's what you blame him for? So in other words, you want a generic game without innovation or creativity, just a bunch of zombies following every order of the community?

It's really unfortunate that the fun of making games is being sucked out more and more. Not because of the evil publishers who only want to make money, certainly not because of the devs themselves, but because of the players who ask for cookie-cutter games and complain about every experiment that strays from their comfort zone. Worse still, game designers get punished for being passionate about their job and are expected to become just another corporate tool to reel in more customers.

Welcome to the games industry of the 21th century.

Again, player feedback is a great thing, and telling the devs that you would prefer a different merging option is perfectly fine. But some of the other stuff that's going on here, like people saying Yoshi hates communities, that he's unable to make a good game, that SE doesn't know how to lead a company, etc.? That's just disgusting and unnecessary.

[darkstarpoet1]

heres what gets me. even if option 2 is selected, it still gives the players the option to change servers.
if your friends were that close to you, then youd either follow them or theyd follow you... so what does that say about these friendships people are so afraid to loose? especially if the option to change servers is going to be there regardless of which option the team goes with. 4 and 2 give you the same options >.>......

unless im missing something, both options are essentially the exact same thing.

also, why does he get sick so much? there are business men all over the world that work just as much as he does and i never hear of illnesses about them. what about actors that film two movies at once? or lawyers that take on several high profile cases at once? idk, it just seems fishy to me. maybe he has an actual health deficiency? just sayen.

the big difference is in 2 the inactives move with the players from the server to the new one, but in option 4 they are randomly shoved into random servers. the option to transfer is fine in either option in the fact if someone wants to rp or move to a server with more people from their timezone(oceanic players) they can do so. at least with option 2 when people return from being inactive they will be with the majority of the players they had been friends with for over a year minus the few that moved to a different server.

[Coglin]

Name me one person who is crying about the merge happening.

Name one who isn't.....

No one said "I want a server merger that goes like this".......then offers an explaination of how to do it.

BUT

A massive amount of posters did post DEMANDING a server merger. Now that they are getting it there are 300 various threads complaining about the server merger.

[KaiKatzchen]

Name one who isn't.....

No one said "I want a server merger that goes like this".......then offers an explaination of how to do it.

Actually I did say how I felt the server mergers should go and outlined an explanation on how it could work.

People need to stop being so general, just because someone didn't see the post doesn't mean there wasn't one.