How do you think they should handle relic weapons in the next expansion?

[InkstainedGwyn]

I still love the idea of our weapon levelling up with us. Have us receive the starter in an MSQ scene or a side quest at the beginning of the expansion, then have it tied to individual quests you open up as you progress through the zones. Have it tied to doing the unique fate chains in each zone (but tied to completion, not an RNG drop). Have every dungeon count towards it as we go through them. And then at 80, give us different challenges every tier. Even a set of them a la Wonderous Tales. Maybe completing a WT entry will also give you points towards your weapon as it learns from you, sees the world through your eyes. I don't understand how the Eureka slog means anything story-wise towards our weapons.

[MageBlack]

I feel like you're smart enough for me to call this intellectually dishonest. Comparing LoV and it's lack of meaningful rewards with content required to acquire relic weapons is really, really unfair.

The devs have placed Eureka on a pedestal from which it basically can't be toppled - it will always remain accessible because they will never lock anyone out of being able to complete a relic. They even have to sink more time and money into it because it's already established as our relic formula for this expansion.

I would say comparing content of that magnitude with LoV is just plain nonsense.

I'm glad you think i'm "smart" lol, cause I know i'm pretty dumb most the time. First off, sorry for this being a really late response but I did want to address it briefly.

Unfortunately you chose to cherry pick my comment in order to make your point which is also intellectually dishonest. Allow me to point out that i did address the very thing you brought up.

I do wonder though if this content would be a little less controversial if it wasnt strictly tied to the Relic progression. Could that be the source of complaints?

What I was referring to by referencing LoV is the way to protest content is to voice your concern (like has been done ad nausem on the forums) and also, most importantly, boycot the content you dislike. I know people will force themselves to go through content they dont like just for the reward, I have said this before too and firmly believe this to be the true core of the issues plaguing FFXIV currently, Reward. Rewards motivate your players to participate in content and if it is not properly incentivized the content will die off. Lack of meaningful rewards is why I dont bother with the Savage and Ultimate raids, why put myself through all that to get something that is outclassed by the next patch? But my initial comment was not about rewards, that was what you inserted into it.

I honestly cant see why anyone feels they are forced to do this content for the relic weapon, that makes zero sense in the grand scheme of the game. At most the relic weapon will be the "best" weapon AFTER the final phase and only be relevant until 5 levels into the next expansion. I also mentioned that Diadem suffered from lack of scaling (a huge issue with FFXIV's strict vertical progression) and once better gear came out the content died. Others have pointed out that right now, if you want an equivalent iLev weapon you can do the 24 man raid and get a 370 from that. To me saying "i have to do eureka even though i hate it" is intellectually dishonest or at the very least lacking foresight.

If you want to have a conversation about rewards and incentives, we can do that but i feel we are on the same page.

[BillyKaplan]

Bouncing this because I just read the new Tales from the Storm about how Estinien got his SB armor, and incidentally, where the DRG AF3 we receive came from. And I'm livid.
Eureka, specifically Anemos' stages of the relic weapon and armors, actually spit in the face of the sets' lores. These are items that had a story, a history, and some, depending on how the additional, out-of-game lore handled it (and why couldn't it have been in-game, SE? yeesh. guess I'm getting that new lore-book), are actually tied to NPCs you have a strong connection to.
Not only is Gerolt's tempering with them treated as just something off-handed (even a half-thrown line about how they're using Eureka's materials to upgrade your meaningful gear would've been better), but the weapons end up being transformed into something else altogether in Pagos. AFs never matured well with time, but nor were they stepping stones for something else. The personal feeling and journey of both Relic->Zodiac and Anima weapons was a huge selling point for me, and if Anemos is anything to go by (I swore off Pagos until the nerfs), it's completely missing from this relic iteration.

[Deceptus]

If they're going to make them a huge grind release them at the start of the new expansion so that when the inevitable lull happens, players have something to do.

[Marxam]

Options.

This is currently the most tedious light grind and the only option you have is to kill monsters and chain them. There is no other option that is more time efficient. Previous iterations of the light grind had you doing duties, fates, trials and you could go at your own pace since you will still be earning tomes, achievements (tank mount specifically), dungeon/raid gear etc. In Pagos there is no benefit to what you are doing outside of getting your relic to i370. For me personally I'm gonna wait till it gets patched to have bigger exp/light buffs or until my sub runs out. However by then the next area might be out and I'm sure Pagos will be a dead step meaning chaining and NM fates will be impossible due to low player rates.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

Wrong. The forums are ripping it apart. That’s different, because the majority of players do not post here.

I actually happen to like Eureka.

Reddit has also been ripping it to shreds too, this level of backlash is not common for most content released, its pretty clear people in general are not happy with it for many reasons.