How to give advice

[JohnSeal]

I'd give you a list of slanders I've gotten for daring to give advice, but I'd be banned from the forums for horrific toxicity. In comparison, blind monkey is a compliment.



Yes, I know you said Rhetorical, but here's a question. Did you read what I said, or did you miss the "bare basics" in my statement? Here, I'll break it down, nice and simple.

1 2 3

^ That is barebones basics. Can you count to 3? You're probably better than my average pug member.

Actually, I'ma edit this little note in. You also missed how I said 50+ content, not fresh level 1 players. Maybe we do have a blind monkey.



Is it pressuring too much to ask a tank to keep threat when I'm using diversion and lucid? Or asking a healer to not spam heals on people at full health? Am I too pushy by asking the BLM to actually cast a fire spell? Or asking a NIN to use combo's? Or a RDM to not hardcast verthunder constantly?

I'm not asking for savage level stuff in my expert. Nobody with any common sense is. But every time I see someone in 70 content who has completely no idea what they're doing, it only tells me Square's not pushing anyone to try at all. And given how with an alt I'm actively trying to do the minimum while still doing something and still getting by, even in the Stormblood solo instances people proclaimed were difficult?

Let’s take a deep deep breath xD please do some yoga or meditation you really sound too nervous lol

Yes you need to know the bare basics when you play a class, yes you are suppose to read and learn your skills, yes if player at lvl 70 are clueless it’s unsettling.
Still there is no reason to pressure players in casual contents,you don’t know people you find in roulette or pugs, or their age ( they may be young teenager how do you know), their abilities to learn still they have right to play a game lol

50+ doesn’t mean you are expert, some people do only potd till level 60 and they don’t learn anything’s sadly.
Most of gameplays totally evolve lvl by lvl and you can’t expect players to always keep up. Some skills are also difficult to apply and fit in a rotation without a lot of practice. But you need to give time then to learn at THEIR SPEED!
Tanks also can’t find difficulties if DPS have much higher gear then them, as a BLM a combination of 3 flares + 1 foul it’s mind blowing and can give tanks trouble anyway.

About saying SE should give more instruments to improve yourself and your skills I agree.
But please no drama, pugs and duty roulettes are not full of horrible players as you may say. 1 our of 100 is really low percentuale tho

[Jijifli]

Yes you need to know the bare basics when you play a class, yes you are suppose to read and learn your skills, yes if player at lvl 70 are clueless it’s unsettling.
Still there is no reason to pressure players in casual contents,you don’t know people you find in roulette or pugs, or their age ( they may be young teenager how do you know), their abilities to learn still they have right to play a game lol

Stop acting like I said X when I said Y. Did I say they don't have the right to play the game? No. And to be completely honest? If they aren't in my party I do not care at all how they are playing. It's when you get into my party, take up my time, that I'd hope you at least know how to press the keys on your keyboard at the most basic level. And you are right, I don't know who they are. So why not make a good first impression? And I hate the use of age for any reasoning to why something happens. I've had people who I've met in discord that are 13 or 14, who have outperformed me. It's about actually caring.

50+ doesn’t mean you are expert, some people do only potd till level 60 and they don’t learn anything’s sadly.
Most of gameplays totally evolve lvl by lvl and you can’t expect players to always keep up. Some skills are also difficult to apply and fit in a rotation without a lot of practice. But you need to give time then to learn at THEIR SPEED!

Jeez, caps on "their speed." Maybe you need to meditate. Palace isn't an excuse. In heavensward I got everything but Bard and Machinist to 60. Most of those were from palace. I still knew bare bone basics, because as I said in this post already, I cared enough to. Also, serious question, I do want this answered. What would you find difficult about pressing the 1 key, then the 2 key, then the 3 key? Remember how I like to say at least bare bones basics? Am I expecting perfect rotations? Nah, I still mess up sometimes on it. Am I expecting 1 2 3? Maybe.

Tanks also can’t find difficulties if DPS have much higher gear then them, as a BLM a combination of 3 flares + 1 foul it’s mind blowing and can give tanks trouble anyway.

My specific mention, since I didn't give context, was I had threat on the last boss in Compass. I had diversion up, and didn't even finish my blizzard setup at the start, and had threat and already ate a tank buster to get one shotted. You wanna tell me keeping threat off of the tank, with diversion still running from my opener, which didn't even technically get to fully start, could be because I had higher gear? XD Bonus note, he had full 360.

1 our of 100 is really low percentuale tho

And this is where I make an extra mention here. Start actually paying attention, because you'd be surprised just how insane some people are. I actually ended up taking a break back in 4.1 from the amount of people that couldn't do basics, the straw breaking the camels back was a level 54 warrior in Snowcloak who pressed only Butcher's block. No, not the combo, just the single ability. With a slow responding healer and BLM, I was almost soloing Fenrir as a monk. We had 3 wipes before I finally pushed it through, since I had my mentor crown on and the tank was a sprout. My advice? On deaf ears. Mechanics explained? Nobody did them. I think the forum post I made about it hit 50 pages? Here, I'm fetching a quote for you.

I have plenty of cases, from the starting land of Sastasha to the capped "pug" difficulty of Shinryu EX. The higher it goes, the more I am lost in how, but there's so many cases of people just doing things so unbearably wrong. Repeating, not talking about the guy that misses a few positionals. I'm talking about the BLM that spams Thunder. The WAR that presses only Butcher's Block (NOT the combo line, just the Butcher.) The WHM that only puts up Regen and then afk's for 30 seconds, regardless if their heals are needed or not.

These wouldn't be issues if advice is taken, but so often, I'm either outright ignored when I try to help, or backlashed back for daring to try. I just got through a Snowcloak that I joined in towards the end, with 45 minutes in. WAR never dodged anything and barely did combo's, making me obtain the enemy threat with Diversion running. BLM barely casted the correct things and stood in everything possible. WHM also stood in everything, never casting a Cure II and just randomly not doing anything. Despite my advice, nobody took it. I explained the fight in detail, every part they were messing up, even using specific sound effects to alert of which mechanics. Ignored. It always feel like it's on deaf ears. Then I realized something, how did they even make it TO THE LAST BOSS like that? How much did that DPS I replaced have to carry?

So let's go back to your earlier statement about 50+, and how it doesn't make you an expert. Would you say that the example I show here, is okay? This is why I took my crown off. This is why I stopped giving actual advice in parties, and would much rather either leave, or get myself kicked. Because it's a lot more than 1 in 100.