How to give advice

[ko_]

And that bolded part is exactly why we, as longterm players, need to give advice and feedback to a new person or even just to someone whos new to the job. And yes, as long as that advice is phrased politely, even without asking for permission first.

I dont think anyone is surprised about players underoperforming within the first few dungeons and no one has an issue with that, as long as they see the person really trying their best.
However... in light of the OP... Thunder IV is the level 64 BLM-skill. Thats way, way past being a new player or new to the job. Its way past the point where someone learns the concept of AoE vs. ST-damage and what to use when.
Personally, my BLM-hotbars are set up with a AoE-section and a ST-section. Each time I get a new skill, I read the tooltip and stick it either to the AoEs or the ST-spells.

And as I mentioned earlier already: what you're practising in dungeons goes to your muscle memory, so that one day you'll be able to play your job half asleep. Whats the point of letting someone learn and parctise something that you know is wrong in a dungeon? I had a bard in Haukke NM once, who wouldnt use DoTs and I kept asking for them, even though the whole run wouldnt have taken much longer without them. But the reason I kept asking for them and reminding him and telling him how important DoTs are is that I main bard as dps and know that the whole core-mechanic of bard - the songs - depend on your DoTs. So you better get used to keeping them all the time and learn how to do that from the start.

You're also making the good point of people not realising that they might be doing something wrong - which again supports giving polite advice, instead of asking for permission, seeing how that permission can denied, because someone is convinced they already know it all.
...and seeing how a question like "Hey, I see you're doing something wrong - might if I tell you how to do it right?" would hurt the feelings of every sensitive little snowflake out there already aswell (because you're telling them they're doing something wrong - even by offering to give advice, you're at least implying that), I really dont see the point of it.

Be polite, be friendly - but give advice when its needed! The game doesnt do it - its up to us.



No harm done! ;D
I know that my posts on this matter can come off as a little harsh in tone, but thats mainly because I try to make them as clear as possible. As I said in my first post here... touchy subject. And I would like to avoid this getting heated, by sticking to a neutral tone myself - even if that seems harsh at times! Nothing personal, just trying to get my points across as clear as possible - so I apologise if I cam of rude, that wasnt my intention!

Is that the big grin of riches? It's been so long. ;D

[Vidu]

Is that the big grin of riches? It's been so long. ;D

...the way you phrased THAT did some harm now! ...I'm feeling old all of sudden... excuse me, while I'll try to convert my blm-staff into a walking cane...

[ko_]

...the way you phrased THAT did some harm now! ...I'm feeling old all of sudden... excuse me, while I'll try to convert my blm-staff into a walking cane...

Omg. Hugzbigsqueeze. We dont call it the big grin anymore? I is old so forgive me.