How to give advice

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Yes I understand, the thread literally is “ How to give advices “ so I was talking about the way people criticise player in not constructive way but in a diminishing one.Some players really help the community but other are just insulting. I give suggestion to people only if I see are doing gigantic errors and they are totally far from understanding how the class work like Ice mages, SMN with no dot, Sams or Rdms with no aoe but I shut up for if I see a BRD with no heavy shot or DRG with no heavy trust stuff like that.

Yes it’s essential to read your skills and practice with it, probably many players are not familiar with this kind of games and how it works.
Unfortunately there are really little instruments of improvement and comparison for low level players to improve and understand many things. I started as BLM back in the days and honestly I never used Fire II till early 50s because seemed useless compared to Fire III that I was spamming (ok feeling silly if I think of it) then I realised how aoe work better on 3+ mobs.
That’s because the requirements in overhall are really low, no DPS checks for examples and player can complete instances easly anyway so they probably think are doing well perfectly but they don’t realise if are missing something but that is how casual contents works.
Most of new player don’t use roles at all because seems useless, especially tanks or some players don’t understand the power of dots. But nobody force them too.
Often skills itself are not fully explained and some effects hidden, like nobody tell you lucid, refresh or tactician reduce enmity or that eye x eye can be spread stuff like that.
Anyway you may be right on the general point still nodoby needs to be surprised if player underperform at the begin

And that bolded part is exactly why we, as longterm players, need to give advice and feedback to a new person or even just to someone whos new to the job. And yes, as long as that advice is phrased politely, even without asking for permission first.

I dont think anyone is surprised about players underoperforming within the first few dungeons and no one has an issue with that, as long as they see the person really trying their best.
However... in light of the OP... Thunder IV is the level 64 BLM-skill. Thats way, way past being a new player or new to the job. Its way past the point where someone learns the concept of AoE vs. ST-damage and what to use when.
Personally, my BLM-hotbars are set up with a AoE-section and a ST-section. Each time I get a new skill, I read the tooltip and stick it either to the AoEs or the ST-spells.

And as I mentioned earlier already: what you're practising in dungeons goes to your muscle memory, so that one day you'll be able to play your job half asleep. Whats the point of letting someone learn and parctise something that you know is wrong in a dungeon? I had a bard in Haukke NM once, who wouldnt use DoTs and I kept asking for them, even though the whole run wouldnt have taken much longer without them. But the reason I kept asking for them and reminding him and telling him how important DoTs are is that I main bard as dps and know that the whole core-mechanic of bard - the songs - depend on your DoTs. So you better get used to keeping them all the time and learn how to do that from the start.

You're also making the good point of people not realising that they might be doing something wrong - which again supports giving polite advice, instead of asking for permission, seeing how that permission can denied, because someone is convinced they already know it all.
...and seeing how a question like "Hey, I see you're doing something wrong - might if I tell you how to do it right?" would hurt the feelings of every sensitive little snowflake out there already aswell (because you're telling them they're doing something wrong - even by offering to give advice, you're at least implying that), I really dont see the point of it.

Be polite, be friendly - but give advice when its needed! The game doesnt do it - its up to us.

Yeah your example I agree with after reading and understanding your view. Hope that didn't cause stress before that. I know debates can get heated.

No harm done! ;D
I know that my posts on this matter can come off as a little harsh in tone, but thats mainly because I try to make them as clear as possible. As I said in my first post here... touchy subject. And I would like to avoid this getting heated, by sticking to a neutral tone myself - even if that seems harsh at times! Nothing personal, just trying to get my points across as clear as possible - so I apologise if I cam of rude, that wasnt my intention!