How to give advice

[Sigma-Astra]

I don't understand people who think that they need to be the one to educate everyone else on everything. Just do your thing. Run with friends if you don't like joining a dungeon where there might be newer players that will annoy you if they hit a wrong button or don't use the exact proc you think they should. And above all, if you HAVE to give your opinion on something (like anyone even asked to hear your mouth), at least have the grace to not be a complete tool about it. Save it for Savage, if your raid leader will even put up with it.

So sick of the entitlement these days.

.....Well, no one asked to hear your mouth either, but here we are listening to it. People wanting to help out newbies are the entitled ones now? If the guy was an arse about giving advice, I could understand it. But, if they were trying to be polite, there's no reasoning why the person can't take constructive criticism about it and try to improve upon themselves. We're taking the anecdotal evidence of the OP at large when the person in question may not have even been rude and they could possibly be just angrily venting (which they admitted) and blowing things out of proportion. I'm taking the OP with a grain of salt as miscommunications happen within the DF ALL OF THE TIME since tones can be misconstrued through text.

I'm sick of people who think they're above the consequences or criticism that comes with opening their mouth and having an opinion. It's this kind of mindset that tells players it's okay to not read your tooltips or at least try to improve on their basic rotations for the benefit of not just themselves, but the general community at large.

If you want to put in the least amount of effort, then run with friends and not the entire community. No one needs to carry anyone through content and it's entitled to expect other players to do as much on their time and money.

[Angus]

.....Well, no one asked to hear your mouth either, but here we are listening to it. People wanting to help out newbies are the entitled ones now? If the guy was an arse about giving advice, I could understand it. But, if they were trying to be polite, there's no reasoning why the person can't take constructive criticism about it and try to improve upon themselves. We're taking the anecdotal evidence of the OP at large when the person in question may not have even been rude and they could possibly be just angrily venting (which they admitted) and blowing things out of proportion. I'm taking the OP with a grain of salt as miscommunications happen within the DF ALL OF THE TIME since tones can be misconstrued.

I'll give you that maybe they thought they weren't rude, but it didn't come off that way in a text based chat. They also continued to made rude gestures at the end. If I had known this person, then I might have thought they were just being casual, but they were a stranger. We were in a combat situation. People need to be more careful when communicating in a text based system.

I've been in parties where players gave advice in a friendly constructive manner, THIS wasn't one of them.

[Vidu]

I'll give you that maybe they thought they weren't rude, but it didn't come off that way in a text based chat. They also continued to made rude gestures at the end. If I had known this person, then I might have thought they were just being casual, but they were a stranger. We were in a combat situation. People need to be more careful when communicating in a text based system.

I've been in parties where players gave advice in a friendly constructive manner, THIS wasn't one of them.

I agree with you that advice should be given in a polite, friendly and constructive manner.
That does not involve asking for permission to give advice in the first place for me though.

You should also keep in mind that not everyone speaks english as a native language, so sometimes things might sound weird or even rude to you, when they werent intended that way. A major contributor to that is also the "we were in combat" thing. When I'm in combat, I dont have the time to type a long wided novel with a lot of "please and thank you" to get a simple point like "Thunder IV is an AoE-spell, please use Thunder III on a single target instead" across.

[Sigma-Astra]

I'll give you that maybe they thought they weren't rude, but it didn't come off that way in a text based chat. They also continued to made rude gestures at the end. If I had known this person, then I might have thought they were just being casual, but they were a stranger. We were in a combat situation. People need to be more careful when communicating in a text based system.

I've been in parties where players gave advice in a friendly constructive manner, THIS wasn't one of them.

Then, you just got to roll it off and let it go. Basically, the "don't let one rotten apple spoil the bunch". It's bad enough that most people are afraid to give out advice towards newbies simply because of cases where we've gotten our heads bitten off for it and that should never be the case when someone is trying to be helpful and polite.