How to give advice

[Rymm]

Still to know which button to press in which sequence you need to go and read a job guide.

Okay, I promised myself that I wouldn't post in this inane thread, but this here line is the straw that broke the camel's back. For the vast majority of classes, the combo buttons light up in the order you are supposed to press them. All you have to do to get a combo right is literally hit the blinky lights. That's it. No guide necessary. Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably.

And about the topic as a whole; why the holy heck does everyone treat giving or receiving advice like such a drama-filled minefield?

I leveled BLM to 50 in ARR and promptly forgot about. Didn't touch it all through HW and was well into SB before I decided to start leveling it again and in one of my first or second dungeons someone pointed out that I was doing the rotation wrong. Did I freak out at them? Did I take it as a personal attack? As a slight on my honor? Of course not. I said "Sorry, it's been a while." applied their advice and finished the dang dungeon. Because it was the mature thing to do. Receiving, processing, and applying constructive criticism are necessary life skills; the sooner you accept that and learn to do so, the easier life will be for you.

[JohnSeal]

Guides are overrated? Guess then rotations are overrated too huh? Guides for savage raids and extreme primals are not overrated since they show you what you have to expect.

Omg not guides for Savages but I meant Job guides.
Like the ones that tell you which button to press one by one lol
A real good player figure the best rotation by himself with hours of practice,you can get tips here and there.
Most of player will be lost without a job guide to spoon feed them xD
Someone was talking about pressing buttons in sequenze and research so basically like when we use to go to school and copy the homework’s from the class nerds lmao

[JohnSeal]

So since you keep bringing up guides, let me ask you something. Are you actually reading what I am saying, or are you doing it intentionally?

Nowhere did I mention a guide, because my expectation has no look for a guide. You even said there's no difficulty in 1 2 3, and that's my expectation. You know that your job has buttons and you'll press the buttons.

As for this "enforce the law" statement, you seem to be right. Because efforts to do such just get me harassed. Glad to have known my mentor status, which I actually was trying to care about, and was trying to help, was for nothing. I wanna make an extra mention, I'm sure I'm not the only mentor that stopped trying to be the good example. I'm sure there's plenty of the "bad mentors" that just can't take people's inability to process 3 numbers.

And yes, I have taken a break. My second break this expac. My sub only continues to run because I have a house, and because I do rp. So I'm not "started" with the dungeons.

But what do I know? I'm just a filthy ex-mentor who's pushing poor players to even be capable to do their one job.

You say to learn rotations,combos and sequences so or you are a self learner and you learn with practice or you read a guide, that’s the two way to learn.

Please chill, nobody harass you and nobody offends you!!

Calm down, take a chamomile and breath
Don’t let other people ruin your mood in game,be and let others be xD

[JohnSeal]

Okay, I promised myself that I wouldn't post in this inane thread, but this here line is the straw that broke the camel's back. For the vast majority of classes, the combo buttons light up in the order you are supposed to press them. All you have to do to get a combo right is literally hit the blinky lights. That's it. No guide necessary. Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably.

And about the topic as a whole; why the holy heck does everyone treat giving or receiving advice like such a drama-filled minefield?

I leveled BLM to 50 in ARR and promptly forgot about. Didn't touch it all through HW and was well into SB before I decided to start leveling it again and in one of my first or second dungeons someone pointed out that I was doing the rotation wrong. Did I freak out at them? Did I take it as a personal attack? As a slight on my honor? Of course not. I said "Sorry, it's been a while." applied their advice and finished the dang dungeon. Because it was the mature thing to do. Receiving, processing, and applying constructive criticism are necessary life skills; the sooner you accept that and learn to do so, the easier life will be for you.

Hmmmm my gosh, you really sound like talking to give fresh air to you lungs lol.
Listen the “blinking light” are only for weaponskils combo or actions that triggers!
For BLM or SMN nothing blink, for RDM,NIN,SAM more things blink at the same time, for bards everything blinks and you work on a priority system, DRG heavy trust is sad in a corner if you don’t poke them.
Shall I continue on buff alignment for MNK,DRG,BRD so please don’t tank nonsense.
People need to learn things and they do in a different way and a different speed,some ppl wants some people don’t.
In savage you MUST,in casual your are suppose to.

[Rymm]

Hmmmm my gosh, you really sound like talking to give fresh air to you lungs lol.
Listen the “blinking light” are only for weaponskils combo or actions that triggers!
For BLM or SMN nothing blink, for RDM,NIN,SAM more things blink at the same time, for bards everything blinks and you work on a priority system, DRG heavy trust is sad in a corner if you don’t poke them.
Shall I continue on buff alignment for MNK,DRG,BRD so please don’t tank nonsense.
People need to learn things and they do in a different way and a different speed,some ppl wants some people don’t.
In savage you MUST,in casual your are suppose to.

I know I typed the part about where I mentioned combos specifically in bold to stress my point about how the game tends to hold your hand when it comes to correct play for the various classes, but that wasn't the only part of the post I intended for you to read. You seem to have missed the closing line of that paragraph that was meant to address everything not covered by the 'blinky combos' example. To reiterate, I said "Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably."

Passably. Maybe not proficiently, as that tends to take practice and effort. But at least enough not to be a burden upon your party when doing even casual group content.

Please, in the future, read and comprehend my entire post before accusing me of talking nonsense.

[JohnSeal]

I tried to find an old post I made, but couldn't.

The premise is that I've had random people give advice to me. Like all advice/criticism you need to listen and evaluate regardless of context. Some of the most rewarding advice I've ever received professionally or in sports were from people that would make the average FF14 cry just by being in the same room as them.

I play USTA tennis at a decently high competitive level. I once played this scumlord who was CLEARLY sandbagging his rating. He wasn't rude during the match or before/after, but he wasn't as friendly and talkative as most tennis players are. After he completely bodied me 6-1, 6-1 in less than an hour, he said "Your running forehand was really weak and easy to attack, work on it".

I could have gotten upset or mad, etc, but instead I thought about what he said and he was right. I hadn't realized I lost nearly 14 points on a running forehand...

In my career, one of my managers was probably the least people friendly person I ever met, but he was a professional genius. The sheer amount of expertise I was able to acquire from simply being around him and in meetings with has served me incredibly well. Had I ignored all of that because he was a dick, it would have left me a much worse/ill equipped professional than I am today.

The point of this post is to say that ignored how feedback is given. Seriously who cares. Be an adult and evaluate it and if it makes sense, implement it.



Not sure how old you are or where you live, but in the real world of adults, criticism is one of the most important things in the world, and I ALWAYS accept it from anyone and everyone willing to give it. It makes me stronger.

There is a Hugely gigantic super mega super difference between advice and criticise!!!
Advice you do it with a certain use of words,and with kindness.
Criticise is just toxic... some people gives healthy advices and other just like to feel great by giving orders and make people feel bad.
I as a nice mentor like to advice, other just shoot criticism... my way to interact with players “ in need “ is : Hey, you know that T4 works better on mobs? Hi, please try to use your scatter it works better on 3+ mobs!
Hey “ tank name” please try to use your flash, it will make my job easier <3
Others toxic players: M8 stop ******** using that ***** move. Or,Ooo your are really bad at this job...
This are easy examples of the difference between advice and criticise!!!

Anyway I am almost 30,working since I am 16 because I had too ( I finished college anyway) never appreciate criticism from who doesn’t want actually help but just bossy around, always helping younger colleagues with a smile xD

[JohnSeal]

I know I typed the part about where I mentioned combos specifically in bold to stress my point about how the game tends to hold your hand when it comes to correct play for the various classes, but that wasn't the only part of the post I intended for you to read. You seem to have missed the closing line of that paragraph that was meant to address everything not covered by the 'blinky combos' example. To reiterate, I said "Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably."

Passably. Maybe not proficiently, as that tends to take practice and effort. But at least enough not to be a burden upon your party when doing even casual group content.

Please, in the future, read and comprehend my entire post before accusing me of talking nonsense.

Yes fair enough, just saying
Yes I agree basic knowledge is required but luckyly on CHAOS the situation in not so bad XD I do mostly everyday good runs with good groups (:

[Rymm]

Criticise is just toxic

Okay, I am honestly not trying to belittle you here, but is English your first language? I know first hand that some things get jumbled in translation and I worry that this might be one of those things.

I just need to point out that criticism is absolutely not necessarily toxic or even impolite.

If you think it is, then I feel like that explains some of the misconceptions you have on this particular subject. In that case you are mistaken. Criticism is inherently neutral, neither good nor bad. It can become either based on how the person presents it to you. And, as an aside, criticism can still be constructive, even when presented in a toxic manner.

[AxlStream]

Don't give advice on this game. Just silently kick. Less of a hassle.

[Jijifli]

You say to learn rotations,combos and sequences so or you are a self learner and you learn with practice or you read a guide, that’s the two way to learn.

I'm not even saying to learn your rotation. As even already pointed out with half of the classes in this game by Rymm, the game actively tells you what combo's with lighting up your buttons.

For BLM or SMN nothing blink, for RDM,NIN,SAM more things blink at the same time, for bards everything blinks and you work on a priority system, DRG heavy trust is sad in a corner if you don’t poke them.

On your BLM and SMN you're incorrect. Your procs blink to alert you that they were obtained, such as Firestarter, or Ruin IV. Also, I've had my expectations murdered enough to the point where I don't expect the RDM to melee, I don't expect the NIN to use anything but Doton, and I don't expect more than the gecko combo from a SAM (Yes, I don't even expect them to laijutsu anymore) and they still somehow manage to do even less than that.

But since you're mentioning more jobs, here's a question. Bards that never sing. Dragoons that only heavy thrust. Actually dragoon's a funny topic, because in 3.1 I ran into a lot in expert covered in full vit gear.

Shall I continue on buff alignment for MNK,DRG,BRD so please don’t tank nonsense.
People need to learn things and they do in a different way and a different speed,some ppl wants some people don’t.

They're tanking? Well I guess Rymm's main is a Paladin I think.

Also not having that expectation either for buff allignment. Notice how my wishes for someone in 50+ content is to at least be pressing more than 1 button? And I'm saying they somehow still aren't? I'm actually going to focus on the dps factor here, because one of the few reasons I wanted to drop SCH/AST was because of dps not doing anything. You ever see a 45 minute run of Compass? With no wipes mind you. Was almost common if I went healer, and almost always 15-20 minutes when I went BLM. Strange.

You'd also think people would actually want to be done things sooner than later too, actually. While this is a WoW example and not a FFXIV example, a Youtuber (Preach) did a challenge to prove some people wrong, about how pugging is. One thing he noticed was that he didn't realize how little he actually played until he did that, because people were so bad and not wanting to improve, that he would spend an entire day just trying to upgrade his keystone by 1 level.

So that's just an extra note. You get to do more activities if you actually read your abilities and figure out how to play. Guide or no. And honestly if you need a guide to tell you to use fire spells as a BLM, or to use combo lines on a melee, you probably shouldn't be at a high level. The game outright explains this to you. Go make a new character, pick BLM, and don't turn off those little hints they give you. At level 2, they actually explain Astral Fire and Umbral Ice to you. And there are people at 70 who can't even do the thing explained at level 2...

I know I typed the part about where I mentioned combos specifically in bold to stress my point about how the game tends to hold your hand when it comes to correct play for the various classes, but that wasn't the only part of the post I intended for you to read. You seem to have missed the closing line of that paragraph that was meant to address everything not covered by the 'blinky combos' example. To reiterate, I said "Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably."

Passably. Maybe not proficiently, as that tends to take practice and effort. But at least enough not to be a burden upon your party when doing even casual group content.

Please, in the future, read and comprehend my entire post before accusing me of talking nonsense.

Also here I am making walls of text to a person who I'm thinking doesn't even speak English. Oh well. I don't pay their sub, so I should just carry them because they also clearly pay mine.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I as a nice mentor like to advice, other just shoot criticism... my way to interact with players “ in need “ is : Hey, you know that T4 works better on mobs? Hi, please try to use your scatter it works better on 3+ mobs!
Hey “ tank name” please try to use your flash, it will make my job easier <3

I've been either ignored or verbally harassed for almost exactly the same wording as your examples almost every time. In some cases, even after the dungeon was completed and I left.

Yes, people got that uppity that I asked a BLM to aoe, that they whispered me after the dungeon to tell me nasty slurs that, again, I'd post, but get reported and banned for just stating the words.