How to give advice

[KaldeaSahaline]

Context is key tho. I know for a fact you wouldn't be too keen on some random coming to you in real life and flat out saying you are living your life wrong. I'm not saying advice giving is wrong but you cant come incorrect and expect them to correct themselves. Cause you're nothing but a stranger to them.

I tried to find an old post I made, but couldn't.

The premise is that I've had random people give advice to me. Like all advice/criticism you need to listen and evaluate regardless of context. Some of the most rewarding advice I've ever received professionally or in sports were from people that would make the average FF14 cry just by being in the same room as them.

I play USTA tennis at a decently high competitive level. I once played this scumlord who was CLEARLY sandbagging his rating. He wasn't rude during the match or before/after, but he wasn't as friendly and talkative as most tennis players are. After he completely bodied me 6-1, 6-1 in less than an hour, he said "Your running forehand was really weak and easy to attack, work on it".

I could have gotten upset or mad, etc, but instead I thought about what he said and he was right. I hadn't realized I lost nearly 14 points on a running forehand...

In my career, one of my managers was probably the least people friendly person I ever met, but he was a professional genius. The sheer amount of expertise I was able to acquire from simply being around him and in meetings with has served me incredibly well. Had I ignored all of that because he was a dick, it would have left me a much worse/ill equipped professional than I am today.

The point of this post is to say that ignored how feedback is given. Seriously who cares. Be an adult and evaluate it and if it makes sense, implement it.

That is the point dear... Advice is welcome, positive and encouraged.
Criticism is not! Just pointless and not appreciated by most of people.
Like imagine in a working environment:
Are you ok if colleague criticise you ? I doubt, probably an healthy advice to improve may be better . You can find people ( or colleagues) the criticise just to diminish you and others that give you advice to improve your OTE, l think we all prefer second kind of people to work with.
Same concept applies in ffxiv

Not sure how old you are or where you live, but in the real world of adults, criticism is one of the most important things in the world, and I ALWAYS accept it from anyone and everyone willing to give it. It makes me stronger.

[Ilan]

I tried to find an old post I made, but couldn't.

The premise is that I've had random people give advice to me. Like all advice/criticism you need to listen and evaluate regardless of context. Some of the most rewarding advice I've ever received professionally or in sports were from people that would make the average FF14 cry just by being in the same room as them.

I play USTA tennis at a decently high competitive level. I once played this scumlord who was CLEARLY sandbagging his rating. He wasn't rude during the match or before/after, but he wasn't as friendly and talkative as most tennis players are. After he completely bodied me 6-1, 6-1 in less than an hour, he said "Your running forehand was really weak and easy to attack, work on it".

I could have gotten upset or mad, etc, but instead I thought about what he said and he was right. I hadn't realized I lost nearly 14 points on a running forehand...

In my career, one of my managers was probably the least people friendly person I ever met, but he was a professional genius. The sheer amount of expertise I was able to acquire from simply being around him and in meetings with has served me incredibly well. Had I ignored all of that because he was a dick, it would have left me a much worse/ill equipped professional than I am today.

The point of this post is to say that ignored how feedback is given. Seriously who cares. Be an adult and evaluate it and if it makes sense, implement it.



Not sure how old you are or where you live, but in the real world of adults, criticism is one of the most important things in the world, and I ALWAYS accept it from anyone and everyone willing to give it. It makes me stronger.

But you should've ignored all the advice and tips if you didn't asked for it. Did you learn nothing from this thread?

[Rymm]

Still to know which button to press in which sequence you need to go and read a job guide.

Okay, I promised myself that I wouldn't post in this inane thread, but this here line is the straw that broke the camel's back. For the vast majority of classes, the combo buttons light up in the order you are supposed to press them. All you have to do to get a combo right is literally hit the blinky lights. That's it. No guide necessary. Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably.

And about the topic as a whole; why the holy heck does everyone treat giving or receiving advice like such a drama-filled minefield?

I leveled BLM to 50 in ARR and promptly forgot about. Didn't touch it all through HW and was well into SB before I decided to start leveling it again and in one of my first or second dungeons someone pointed out that I was doing the rotation wrong. Did I freak out at them? Did I take it as a personal attack? As a slight on my honor? Of course not. I said "Sorry, it's been a while." applied their advice and finished the dang dungeon. Because it was the mature thing to do. Receiving, processing, and applying constructive criticism are necessary life skills; the sooner you accept that and learn to do so, the easier life will be for you.

[Miste]

DPS with no guide= DPS with 2k dmg.

Is this like...personal experience? Cause...you should only speak for yourself and not make a blanket statement like this.

I can do more than 2k on a DPS job with no guide, in fact I rarely look at guides for jobs.

You don't need to exert much brain power to come up with a basic rotation that can give anywhere from 50%-80% of what the job is capable of depending on how well you take the time understand the abilities the job has and the math by examining tooltips.

The game is not that complex where you need a guide telling you exactly the order to do all of your button presses on that job in order to do above average on it.

Also, I even suck at math, but I still manage.

2k dps at the moment would be simply a case of not pressing buttons, you can roll your face on the keyboard and do 2k right now.

Sadly this is something I notice....a lot of players who are lacking in their jobs are often players who simply cannot seem to manage to continuously be pressing buttons and be active throughout the fight. It destroys your DPS more than anything else to waste GCDs.

If you want to know how braindead easy 2k dps is.....non-combo jobs (RDM/BLM/SMN/BRD/MCH) can do 2k dps just pressing one button over and over...some jobs can even do more than 2k just spamming one button.

Combo jobs like NIN/SAM/MNK/DRG can do 2k dps or more just using one combo over and over. So 1-2-3-1-2-3 over and over and the game even lights it up for you.

[JohnSeal]

Guides are overrated? Guess then rotations are overrated too huh? Guides for savage raids and extreme primals are not overrated since they show you what you have to expect.

Omg not guides for Savages but I meant Job guides.
Like the ones that tell you which button to press one by one lol
A real good player figure the best rotation by himself with hours of practice,you can get tips here and there.
Most of player will be lost without a job guide to spoon feed them xD
Someone was talking about pressing buttons in sequenze and research so basically like when we use to go to school and copy the homework’s from the class nerds lmao

[Ilan]

Omg not guides for Savages but I meant Job guides.
Like the ones that tell you which button to press one by one lol
A real good player figure the best rotation by himself with hours of practice,you can get tips here and there.
Most of player will be lost without a job guide to spoon feed them xD
Someone was talking about pressing buttons in sequenze and research so basically like when we use to go to school and copy the homework’s from the class nerds lmao

Dude you still don't check it huh? The job guides are also important because people learn rotations (your pressing buttons one by one thing) because otherwhise they wouldn't learn rotations.
If people would listen to you we would have even more people who just press buttons the way they like and not the way they should be pressed to be optimal. But what ever you say man, you are just like this other person with strange ways of seeing things.

[JohnSeal]

So since you keep bringing up guides, let me ask you something. Are you actually reading what I am saying, or are you doing it intentionally?

Nowhere did I mention a guide, because my expectation has no look for a guide. You even said there's no difficulty in 1 2 3, and that's my expectation. You know that your job has buttons and you'll press the buttons.

As for this "enforce the law" statement, you seem to be right. Because efforts to do such just get me harassed. Glad to have known my mentor status, which I actually was trying to care about, and was trying to help, was for nothing. I wanna make an extra mention, I'm sure I'm not the only mentor that stopped trying to be the good example. I'm sure there's plenty of the "bad mentors" that just can't take people's inability to process 3 numbers.

And yes, I have taken a break. My second break this expac. My sub only continues to run because I have a house, and because I do rp. So I'm not "started" with the dungeons.

But what do I know? I'm just a filthy ex-mentor who's pushing poor players to even be capable to do their one job.

You say to learn rotations,combos and sequences so or you are a self learner and you learn with practice or you read a guide, that’s the two way to learn.

Please chill, nobody harass you and nobody offends you!!

Calm down, take a chamomile and breath
Don’t let other people ruin your mood in game,be and let others be xD

[JohnSeal]

Okay, I promised myself that I wouldn't post in this inane thread, but this here line is the straw that broke the camel's back. For the vast majority of classes, the combo buttons light up in the order you are supposed to press them. All you have to do to get a combo right is literally hit the blinky lights. That's it. No guide necessary. Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably.

And about the topic as a whole; why the holy heck does everyone treat giving or receiving advice like such a drama-filled minefield?

I leveled BLM to 50 in ARR and promptly forgot about. Didn't touch it all through HW and was well into SB before I decided to start leveling it again and in one of my first or second dungeons someone pointed out that I was doing the rotation wrong. Did I freak out at them? Did I take it as a personal attack? As a slight on my honor? Of course not. I said "Sorry, it's been a while." applied their advice and finished the dang dungeon. Because it was the mature thing to do. Receiving, processing, and applying constructive criticism are necessary life skills; the sooner you accept that and learn to do so, the easier life will be for you.

Hmmmm my gosh, you really sound like talking to give fresh air to you lungs lol.
Listen the “blinking light” are only for weaponskils combo or actions that triggers!
For BLM or SMN nothing blink, for RDM,NIN,SAM more things blink at the same time, for bards everything blinks and you work on a priority system, DRG heavy trust is sad in a corner if you don’t poke them.
Shall I continue on buff alignment for MNK,DRG,BRD so please don’t tank nonsense.
People need to learn things and they do in a different way and a different speed,some ppl wants some people don’t.
In savage you MUST,in casual your are suppose to.

[Rymm]

Hmmmm my gosh, you really sound like talking to give fresh air to you lungs lol.
Listen the “blinking light” are only for weaponskils combo or actions that triggers!
For BLM or SMN nothing blink, for RDM,NIN,SAM more things blink at the same time, for bards everything blinks and you work on a priority system, DRG heavy trust is sad in a corner if you don’t poke them.
Shall I continue on buff alignment for MNK,DRG,BRD so please don’t tank nonsense.
People need to learn things and they do in a different way and a different speed,some ppl wants some people don’t.
In savage you MUST,in casual your are suppose to.

I know I typed the part about where I mentioned combos specifically in bold to stress my point about how the game tends to hold your hand when it comes to correct play for the various classes, but that wasn't the only part of the post I intended for you to read. You seem to have missed the closing line of that paragraph that was meant to address everything not covered by the 'blinky combos' example. To reiterate, I said "Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably."

Passably. Maybe not proficiently, as that tends to take practice and effort. But at least enough not to be a burden upon your party when doing even casual group content.

Please, in the future, read and comprehend my entire post before accusing me of talking nonsense.

[Jijifli]

You say to learn rotations,combos and sequences so or you are a self learner and you learn with practice or you read a guide, that’s the two way to learn.

I'm not even saying to learn your rotation. As even already pointed out with half of the classes in this game by Rymm, the game actively tells you what combo's with lighting up your buttons.

For BLM or SMN nothing blink, for RDM,NIN,SAM more things blink at the same time, for bards everything blinks and you work on a priority system, DRG heavy trust is sad in a corner if you don’t poke them.

On your BLM and SMN you're incorrect. Your procs blink to alert you that they were obtained, such as Firestarter, or Ruin IV. Also, I've had my expectations murdered enough to the point where I don't expect the RDM to melee, I don't expect the NIN to use anything but Doton, and I don't expect more than the gecko combo from a SAM (Yes, I don't even expect them to laijutsu anymore) and they still somehow manage to do even less than that.

But since you're mentioning more jobs, here's a question. Bards that never sing. Dragoons that only heavy thrust. Actually dragoon's a funny topic, because in 3.1 I ran into a lot in expert covered in full vit gear.

Shall I continue on buff alignment for MNK,DRG,BRD so please don’t tank nonsense.
People need to learn things and they do in a different way and a different speed,some ppl wants some people don’t.

They're tanking? Well I guess Rymm's main is a Paladin I think.

Also not having that expectation either for buff allignment. Notice how my wishes for someone in 50+ content is to at least be pressing more than 1 button? And I'm saying they somehow still aren't? I'm actually going to focus on the dps factor here, because one of the few reasons I wanted to drop SCH/AST was because of dps not doing anything. You ever see a 45 minute run of Compass? With no wipes mind you. Was almost common if I went healer, and almost always 15-20 minutes when I went BLM. Strange.

You'd also think people would actually want to be done things sooner than later too, actually. While this is a WoW example and not a FFXIV example, a Youtuber (Preach) did a challenge to prove some people wrong, about how pugging is. One thing he noticed was that he didn't realize how little he actually played until he did that, because people were so bad and not wanting to improve, that he would spend an entire day just trying to upgrade his keystone by 1 level.

So that's just an extra note. You get to do more activities if you actually read your abilities and figure out how to play. Guide or no. And honestly if you need a guide to tell you to use fire spells as a BLM, or to use combo lines on a melee, you probably shouldn't be at a high level. The game outright explains this to you. Go make a new character, pick BLM, and don't turn off those little hints they give you. At level 2, they actually explain Astral Fire and Umbral Ice to you. And there are people at 70 who can't even do the thing explained at level 2...

I know I typed the part about where I mentioned combos specifically in bold to stress my point about how the game tends to hold your hand when it comes to correct play for the various classes, but that wasn't the only part of the post I intended for you to read. You seem to have missed the closing line of that paragraph that was meant to address everything not covered by the 'blinky combos' example. To reiterate, I said "Doing the bare minimum of reading the tooltips of the spells you get as you level up should be enough to perform at least passably."

Passably. Maybe not proficiently, as that tends to take practice and effort. But at least enough not to be a burden upon your party when doing even casual group content.

Please, in the future, read and comprehend my entire post before accusing me of talking nonsense.

Also here I am making walls of text to a person who I'm thinking doesn't even speak English. Oh well. I don't pay their sub, so I should just carry them because they also clearly pay mine.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I as a nice mentor like to advice, other just shoot criticism... my way to interact with players “ in need “ is : Hey, you know that T4 works better on mobs? Hi, please try to use your scatter it works better on 3+ mobs!
Hey “ tank name” please try to use your flash, it will make my job easier <3

I've been either ignored or verbally harassed for almost exactly the same wording as your examples almost every time. In some cases, even after the dungeon was completed and I left.

Yes, people got that uppity that I asked a BLM to aoe, that they whispered me after the dungeon to tell me nasty slurs that, again, I'd post, but get reported and banned for just stating the words.