How to give advice

[Lubu_Mykono]

Long story short: practice is everything at any lvl and with any job, but for tank and healers tge requirement are relatively easier compare to DPS.
Explaining myself: healers need to keep everybody alive,you can spam healing if you panicked or are inexperienced as far as you do your best and you have global uptime over 90% (better 95%) during the fight, so if everybody is full you attack ofc. Essential is to know how to use your skills correctly ( like you don’t cure III if the party is not in a 3y range or you don’t succor again if the shield is not broken easy stuff) .
Tanks have straightforward task in a fight, you learn it and do it correctly, hold aggro and use cds stop.
For DPS is a really delicate job of counting timers, not make any mistake or your dmg is gone while dodging or stacking promptly, in many case 1 mistake or death cost you the entire run and all your dmg.
So that’s why I don’t expect DPS to deal 6k + each run at all time but to follow mechs and not make mistake come first.

This is so wrong, healers and tanks in this game are held to the same DPS requirements as the "DPS" classes. Yes DPS is not their focus, but they should be trying to do as much optimal DPS as possible in a given fight given the safe opportunity to do so. Yes it is difficult, but it's part of the job. This isn't WoW where you have healers that can just heal and do nothing else.
If DPS didn't matter than tanks or healers wouldn't have any DPS moves or rotations that require reaction and planning to get off as much as possible, in a given situation.

[JohnSeal]

This is so wrong, healers and tanks in this game are held to the same DPS requirements as the "DPS" classes. Yes DPS is not their focus, but they should be trying to do as much optimal DPS as possible in a given fight given the safe opportunity to do so. Yes it is difficult, but it's part of the job. This isn't WoW where you have healers that can just heal and do nothing else.
If DPS didn't matter than tanks or healers wouldn't have any DPS moves or rotations that require reaction and planning to get off as much as possible, in a given situation.

I disagree by half of what you say...
Yes healers are suppose to DPS as more as they can, that mean you can DPS if you are not healing. You can DPS if everybody has been healed and shielded that’s the priority, I never accepted players standing still during a fight that’s why the total uptime is relevant, you have DPS skills ofc. I definitely hate healers that refuse to heal properly and focus on dmg, negletting their main priority! I will fight with all strength I have this kind of people!
I have been playing yesterday in 07s with a healer that was expecting me to solo heal, she was just using regen,divine and assise not one single cure on burning player,not one single medica on the group and I fought with her because was not right. I much prefer to play with healer with 1k dmg but they heal with all their strength, if are inexperienced and they can’t DPS a lot that’s fine I don’t mind lol
Tanks have really rotations so they can DPS effectively.
As I said many time experience matter a lot (:
Surely you don’t judge the quality of a healer by the amount of dmg they make but by their ability to deal with crisis, adaptation to circumstance and how use their skills, how much they overheal in a fight .

[Ilan]

While i would understand people if the person would've been overly aggressive, i don't understand if this person just gave a simple advice.
Honestly i can't understand people who feel insulted or what not if someone gives them an advice. Don't you understand that people try to help you?

In this game it is always the same with people:

give them advice if they do something wrong:
you are an a..hole that tries to help someone without beeing asked

kick someone who does things wrong:
you are an a..hole that doesn't want to help others

don't que up in DF because people don't want your advice if they do things wrong:
guess what you are again the a..hole who doesn't help others

I have never seen a community with so many special snowflakes who feel offended by everything that someone does. You call it entitlement or elitism? Normal people would call that helping to improve the enjoyment of the game for everyone.

I wonder what these people would do in other MMO's or MOBA's where people will flame them hard if they keep messing up and refuse to take advice.

[Sigma-Astra]

I wonder what these people would do in other MMO's or MOBA's where people will flame them hard if they keep messing up and refuse to take advice.

Probably blacklist them all until they're literally playing inside a self-inflicted echo chamber.

[Ilan]

Probably blacklist them all until they're literally playing inside a self-inflicted echo chamber.

There are several MMO's where they wouldn't have to blacklist anyone because people communicate with others and since there are no DF like here or WoW no one would take them into a dungeon.

[Sigma-Astra]

There are several MMO's where they wouldn't have to blacklist anyone because people communicate with others and since there are no DF like here or WoW no one would take them into a dungeon.

That is also a good point. Can such a miracle truly exist in XIV though....?

[JohnSeal]

There are several MMO's where they wouldn't have to blacklist anyone because people communicate with others and since there are no DF like here or WoW no one would take them into a dungeon.

You guy are exaggerating OMG so dramatic.
You can’t really pretend to kick people for under performing in casual contents or that everyone need to much your standards.
And no way in casual content people can damage or greatly penalise you by under performing, maximum you need to spend 10 more minutes lol
This extreme cases of player so bad to destroy a team are so rare anyway, happens once every 50 instance.
People guys be understanding and less aggressive xD

Sigma you would find a reason or another to erase 99% of the community, I start to think you just like to fight lol
Just joking around, not get upset xD

[Sigma-Astra]

You guy are exaggerating OMG so dramatic.
You can’t really pretend to kick people for under performing in casual contents or that everyone need to much your standards.
And no way in casual content people can damage or greatly penalise you by under performing, maximum you need to spend 10 more minutes lol
This extreme cases of player so bad to destroy a team are so rare anyway, happens once every 50 instance.
People guys be understanding and less aggressive xD

Sigma you would find a reason or another to erase 99% of the community, I start to think you just like to fight lol
Just joking around, not get upset xD

I dunno, it depresses me to get another BLM in the party and I'm doing all of the AoE work. I'll kick people from my casual DF runs if they're being obstinate or performing so poorly towards the point that it's extremely detrimental towards the entire party and it doesn't matter which role. I don't think it's as much of a rare occurrence as you may think it is. It happens all of the time, it's just...unless you know what to look for or you're running a parser, it's much harder to openly tell. Like, I know what a BLM should be doing and what they shouldn't be doing and I can sideglance in seeing their casting bar and what they're doing out of order. It's saddening sometimes.

Likewise, I know when WAR's aren't using Overpower or Steel Cyclone, I know when a DRK isn't in Grit and yet trying to DPS a 7+ mob while the healer is a newbie, I know when a healer is panicking and healing re-actively rather than proactively...it's important to communicate and set people on the right pathways towards playing their own jobs by someone who might be more experienced....and it's ALSO important to take that advice without biting the other person's head off if they're just trying to help you and not berate or belittle you personally.

I may come off as head strong sometimes....I've been told by a lot of close friends that I tend to debate and talk very masculine for a female instead of the "ultra shy, nod your head, and never backtalk nor question others" type of girls.

[Jijifli]

You guy are exaggerating OMG so dramatic.
You can’t really pretend to kick people for under performing in casual contents or that everyone need to much your standards.
And no way in casual content people can damage or greatly penalise you by under performing, maximum you need to spend 10 more minutes lol
This extreme cases of player so bad to destroy a team are so rare anyway, happens once every 50 instance.
People guys be understanding and less aggressive xD

When my standards are "Know bare basics of the video game by 50+" and I still see it enough to the point of not wanting to do the content anymore...

Ya sorry. My standards are just way too high. I'll just assume every player from here on is a blind monkey. You've cured me. Congrats. Oh wait... I actually think in some cases a blind monkey could still do better.

Oh, and if it comes off as aggressive, to say a blind monkey would probably be a better fit, I think that just explains how much I get to see it, and how much I've tried to fix it. Then again, when I give advice in even the most polite way, most respond how I must be using a parser, how I'm the most toxic player in the community, and that I'm going to get banned because I don't pay his sub and can't tell him that Summoner has dots and a pet and more than just ruin.

[Sigma-Astra]

Then again, when I give advice in even the most polite way, most respond how I must be using a parser, how I'm the most toxic player in the community, and that I'm going to get banned because I don't pay his sub and can't tell him that Summoner has dots and a pet and more than just ruin.

Should have told him that he has not only just Ruin.....but, Ruin IV.