SE, please designate a Role Play friendly server!

[DrekeLamorte]

I'm going to avoid responding to a lot of the extreme flame that goes on in any thread about immersion, lore, role-play, etc., but instead make a point that I think a lot of haters and RPers alike are missing.

If they denote New World X as RP server (in the same manner they denoted 10 as FR/DE), then RPers and haters alike have the information prior to phase 1 on what to choose/not choose. Regardless of whether or not you choose some one to avoid _____ or not, some players will be allocated by SE automatically after everyone's choices are made, and locked in phase 2. What this means, is that it will not be a barren server or more populated then any other server, #10 included, because SE is doing the merge to balance the population of all the servers.

Part of the distribution of players is out of our hands. If for example, 9 becomes RP and 10 becomes FR/DE, and there is a huge lack of active accounts being filtered there by them(SE), they would be at the same crossroad they were at when they decided it was necessary for a merge.


PS:

You gentle clod,

I'd prefer if you'd use the preferred version for your region.

Good Day!

/walksoutofsightofGospelGestaltleavinghimtoreflectonhisdaffyreply

(see what I did there?!?!?!?)

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[Serdapi]

Here's where I was going with canceling and cancellation. I have never read a "cancelation policy" in the U.S. It has always been cancellation with TWO L's. Why is this supposed British spelling being used in all these documents for cancellation. Yet, canceled and canceling is a single L in American English with acceptable British spellings of cancelled and cancelling?

And theatre is an acceptable spelling even in the U.S. You can thank AMC Theatres (American Multi-Cinema) for spreading the U.S. spelling for nearly one hundred years.

We've gotten way off-topic here...

On-topic: Your opinion of the motives and history of RP'ers has been noted. I disagree, but noted.

Off-Topic: Good touch to the Boom. Also if you look at the grammarist website lower on the link there is a graph that shows the spelling of theater in published books. I would take a measured graph of published books by people who write for a living over AMC Theatres who show movies. Also my graph shows more years :P

On-topic: It is noted that you noted my opinion. I disagree with yours but it is noted that you noted my correct opinion.

I'm going to avoid responding to a lot of the extreme flame that goes on in any thread about immersion, lore, role-play, etc., but instead make a point that I think a lot of haters and RPers alike are missing.

If they denote New World X as RP server (in the same manner they denoted 10 as FR/DE), then RPers and haters alike have the information prior to phase 1 on what to choose/not choose. Regardless of whether or not you choose some one to avoid _____ or not, some players will be allocated by SE automatically after everyone's choices are made, and locked in phase 2. What this means, is that it will not be a barren server or more populated then any other server, #10 included, because SE is doing the merge to balance the population of all the servers.

Part of the distribution of players is out of our hands. If for example, 9 becomes RP and 10 becomes FR/DE, and there is a huge lack of active accounts being filtered there by them(SE), they would be at the same crossroad they were at when they decided it was necessary for a merge.


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(See what I did there?)

I do and you sir win a cookie for noticing my hidden troll of RPer's. Do you think I would RP correctly while flaming it? You seem smarter than that.

[Rhomagus]

The thread has been derailed to the point of arguing the difference between theater and theatre in the context of an international game?

I'd say we bring it back on track. Forra has the best post to explain pretty much everything here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post548569

I think that was the original intent behind this thread.. The original post does say specifically 'roleplay friendly' after all, rather than 'dedicated' or 'only' or anything like.

But you're right, and it's good to reiterate it since there's more than one person in the thread already seems to have understood otherwise; something likely caused by the easiest way to talk about such a server being to simply call it 'the roleplay server'.






Nobody is saying they 'can't live with normal players'.

The thread is asking for there to be an officially suggested server for roleplayers to congregate on. It's not a way for us to avoid normal players - hell, I like the idea of normal players seeing my friends and I roleplaying; more than a few people have said it lends flavour to their experience even if they wouldn't join in themselves, and knowing other people are seeing it adds a certain value in turn. I'm fairly certain none of the RP'ers in this thread like the idea of non-roleplayers being discouraged from joining any possible 'official roleplay server'.

It's about being able to find other people with the same interests as us, so that we can set up storylines, do cross-shell events or hell, just meet other roleplayers. This isn't like raiding or levelling, where the chances of finding other people play such things is high whatever server you're on; however much fun I may get out of playing out my characters' stories, it isn't nearly as popular a way of playing the game as most and benefits immensely from people who enjoy it being told a good server to find each-other on.




Brigandier has been all but mounting a hate campaign to get roleplayers as far away from himself as possible and been extremely vocal about his disgust for the very concept of roleplay, as well as contributing negatively to this very thread. Other posters such as Answa have enthusiastically voiced their wish to be able to avoid roleplayers more easily, and there's a post two posts above yours politely pointing out it would be nice to know which server to avoid as well.




And, well.. Naoki Yoshida has already spoken rather the opposite to this point.
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2011/12...naoki-yoshida/ - 'Gamer Escape Has More Questions Answered By Naoki Yoshida', 20th December 2011

The above quote is a part of why we have half a hope of this request actually getting anywhere: whatever else, this reorganisation is an opportunity to be 'proactive' about the 'need to set up a designated roleplaying world'.

The post remains direct, informative, rhetorically neutral, and even cite's sources.

You sir, received a like from me. In my opinion, you win this thread.

I should add another con to my post for the sake of academic honesty.

To add:

An argument could be made that we shouldn't make concessions to certain minority groups due to playstyle. I would agree with this argument only if we weren't capable of quoting Naoki Yoshida acknowledging roleplayers. If Yoshida was quoted designating other groups based on playstyle I could also support that logic as well. I may not personally agree with it, but it's feasibility would be much more palpable as he'd remain logically and philosophically consistent.

Here's another quote from an earlier 4gamer interview:

Yoshida: Our first move is to regain the trust of our player base. Like any friendship, no matter how close you are, just breaking one promise can cause a lot of damage. If you want to repair the friendship, you have to take it seriously. Once we’ve regained some of that trust, I’d like to talk about our hopes for the future. However, the discussion then becomes one of if we can do it and when it’ll happen.

Now this quote references promises. The quote regarding role play servers doesn't specifically promise anything so this doesn't necessarily apply, but the act of officially suggesting a role play server wouldn't break that promise either. This is merely an opportunity for role players to voice their concerns.

On another note, I don't think this would be the final opportunity for role players. If something doesn't get done this time around, then I still think there would be another chance to petition Yoshida for a second look at the issue just prior to 2.0's implementation. Also take into account 2.0's "A Server System Built to Support a Worldless Model", as something "could" be done with that as well.

I think the only arguments from here on out that would really be on topic and worthy of discussion would have to deal with the current legitimacy to designate a role play server now considering this current merge is really just a band-aid issue until 2.0's release.

Even to that I would rebut that we might as well take care of it now. Take into consideration how easy it would be to implement the suggestion and not have to bring this up at a later date. Because of this, the role players still have motive enough to make themselves heard in the present.

I'm open to the concept that I may be making light of the difficulty involved with the implementation of such a measure. If so, I would like to hear arguments as to why instituting such a policy would be difficult.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Moving along.

With the recent announcement from Yoshida posted via Bayohne, there may be a chance that a New Besaid surface.

RP or non-RP, a level of mutual respect would be appreciated to get matters settled. Both sides have had their share of extremists that have rubbed each other the wrong way.

Blacklist and ignore as needed if any decide to stay. And hope those who are leaving due to the huge RPness factor, I do hope you find the server population you are looking for.

[Hhaven]

I agree with you Oskar. I do not RP but I enjoy running into those that do. For some reason, the people who dislike it seems to think that everyone feels the same way. Having an RP dedicated server will still consist of all players but would help guide new players to the community

[OskarHelvig]

I'm gone for a day and this is what I come back to? Discussion on Grammar and public vs private RP?!

Telling someone they misspelled something, or have bad grammar is never about the grammar - it's about putting someone down, shaming them. Never, ever tell someone they have bad grammar or they are wrong grammatically. No one is wrong, everyone writes or speaks the way they do for a reason. Language/Grammar is absolutely political, you may as well start a conversation on religion or the Republican Primaries. I can go on and on about this, but this is VERY off-topic. If you care to read about the "myth" of standard grammar: Linky

As far as RP in public goes, feel free to start a new thread here and/or the RPC! It's a very good topic to discuss.

What I am confused about is - are some RPers saying that they will go to Besaid even if there is an Server for RPers that /isn't/ Besaid? First of all, according to the initial announcement, we wont know the names so how can you pick Besaid specifically? I am all for sticking to Besaid IF we know the names of the servers before we jump, and we don't have the RP-friendly server as well.


Devs/Community Reps - still need a response to the OP!

[pilot]

Dude... pull yer head out. When they say Besaid theyre talking about the community on the Besaid server currently. You know, the one which is already the "unofficial rp server"? Your server? I really dont think most people give a darn what its called in the next iteration. Whats confusing me is why you arent interested in sticking with the current Besaid. Besaid the community that already exists.

Is your server some kind of role players nightmare at the moment? I think its pretty swell all in all (Not that i roleplay). Why wouldnt you be pushing for trying to keep the community youre already in together and urge RPers who arent on our Besaid to come hop in when they get the chance? Knock it off with the splitting up of this community already for petes sake. The heck is wrong with you? How dare you?

[OskarHelvig]

I am interested in getting SE to reply on whether or not we /can/ have an official recognition of an RP server at the moment, nothing else. If we get that, that's where I am going. Every player on Besaid server never got together to unanimously vote one way or the other, so I am not quite sure what you're referring to when you say that I wish to break away from "Besaid community" as if there is some unanimous concensus. I will NOT stay with Besaid IF there is an officially recognized RP-friendly server, since that to me would defy logic. However this thread isn't about staying with, or breaking Besaid...

This whole thread is intended to get a response from SE with regards to making an officially recognized RP friendly server. What Besaid does can be discussed in it's own world forum, I'd think. Your whole second paragraph is off-topic, so I wont reply to that here.

[Qfox]

What Role-playing server ?!

[Alhanelem]

I don't like /say rp. I can't personally do it, because I find it rude.

It mostly only bothers me when people fell the need to flag their in/out of character chat. I always treat what people do in say as speech, even if it's out of character, so I don't like seeing things like >>>I'm speaking out of character<< and what not. I agree personally that it's better to roleplay directly with your friends (and just presume that the text is being spoken) through tell linkshell or party and not subject the people who don't care about it to it. Even if you designate a roleplay server, not everyone around you will be roleplaying, and both groups need to have some level of respect for the other.