Something the FFXIV developers should learn from the WoW developers

[giwaman]

Define fun for one thing: is eureka fun? is potd 2 fun? Is rathalos fun? For me fun is doing dungeons and getting gear that doesn't become obsolete in few weeks.

Secondly, think of this way: let's assume they delay one patch for giving us some ACTUAL good content, content that lasts, content that is worth being called content - like some sort of speed run dungeon feature or mythic like wow - and this content is balanced, gives us some good reward - and i mean actual good rewards like gear and weapons and not fluff rewards like pets - and overall it's great.

Now think of this: they took longer to deliver this and will take longer for the next, but since this content is worth something and it's good for progression and it's well balanced, people will be fine waiting longer to get better and balanced content because it's good, it doesn't become boring really quick, it gives some reward for our time and overall it's worth the wait.

In the end it would cycle this way: longer waits for patches but better and lasting content that doesn't get boring immediately. Right now we got so many fluff content that isn't just worth it - biggest example is gold saucer - and they basically become obsolete within 24 hours if not less.

Meanwhile in wow even events like Darkmoon Faire grants us benefits for our gaming experience (they give exp and rep boosts) while ALSO being fluff content (and not even bad either!)

My fun bucketlist contents:
savage raiding
dailies
UwU
primal extremes
eureka
24man raid
Hunts
Glamour farms from old to new raids

Longer patch or delays are not always going turn out to be so great, and it always depends on what kind of content they want to take time or add plus this is not WoW so stop comparing two different games.

[LyraKuroneko]

v2 had a beta though.
Cutscenes where blocked but the rest were available. Even if it was up to lvl20.
But it was also another time.

However i do think it would be usefull to avoid thing like Raubahn EX

[Melichoir]

If they wanted beta testers, make it specific to a very small group: People who can beat Ultimate or something. Give those beta testers, btw, some in game stuff (beta testing glamours they only have access too) as incentive. Theyd have to sign NDAs to participate though.

[Xlantaa]

No betas, please. We're players. We pay to play. Betatester are professionals who spent a lot of time teting games. They do not play for fun, it is their work. And as job, it mus be paid. This last years we're talikng about open betas or invites to betas. They are hiring betatester FOR FREE. So you're paying a game (in most cases) to be a betatester, when you SHOULD be paid for that. Soory, but not. Beta testing for profesionals, not for players. Let's not spread this bad beahviur of some comapnies. We will be doing THEIR job and not getting paid for it.

So no. No beta testing without a salary. You're contributing to this fraud with this kind of things.