No more content like Rath Extreme, please.

[Dualgunner]

Oh, please. If they added the 3 cart rule to savage you all would hate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmBDHS3CCo
Please Riyah, tell me what else I would hate. I do so love how you always seem to know how I'd feel.

It has nothing to do with bad players, I check the gear of people and I see just as much diamond gear as not.

Anecdotes now? Your game is weakening.
Besides which, bad players *can* clear Savage. People can buy carries, or get carries from friends for instance; or somebody is just that unimportant in the grand scheme of things since the fights are so overgeared now that people can contribute almost nothing and still get clears.

What gets very old about this is that people are defining "bad" as "not top tier" because apparently everything is "Easy."

That's more like your perception of what people say when they complain about easy content.

it makes it very frustrating to have decent discussions of difficulty here because there's like the top 10% (and if you clear savage you are probably less than that) assuming the top 10% of play is actually the average instead. So if th top 10% one-shot a trial, they think EVERYONE should be one-shotting it.

Whereas you keep assuming that since you don't do savage, every opinion on difficulty you have must be the majority opinion. In other words, I'm calling Sargon's Law on you.

I mean, I cleared it. I got my scale and a poogle to boot, but it took me 25 runs or so, and the run we cleared no one was allowed to make a single mistake on phase 2. Everything had to be done perfectly. I even had to run the moment rath resolved after the flames because every time he would lunge at the spot i was.

Congratulations on clearing it!

[RiyahArp]

Congratulations on clearing it!

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

[Dualgunner]

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

That bridge goes two ways, you need to reach out to try to understand others' points as well.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

There's plenty to congratulate. You had motivation and a goal, and you pursued it. Whatever your motivations, you accomplished your goal, and that's worthy of praise. Good job, you beat Rathalos Extreme. You took on the challenge, and you beat it.

[Elkanah]

I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed.

And this is exactly what the post was about. I can understand that not everyone will be able to clear the content right away. It's still new. I wouldn't put too much thought and stress into it. By your logic in the way it was described on the original post, nobody should be playing video games whatsoever. But games will still need to have a challenge, and players overcoming that challenge if they want to reap the rewards. Not ALL of it has to be savage, mind you, but give players a reason to improve and overcome to achieve the original objective. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this isn't meant to be cleared day 1. But some players were able to adapt and figure strategies all on their own, and continue on farm. That's what content is meant to bring. Still enjoyable, but not face roll worthy. Hopefully with some luck and time, you continue to stay with it, and get better, and get that mount. That's what matters most.

I'm going based off of what challenge Monster Hunter World fans faced with Rathalos in the MHW title. As the monster is not a low rank, meaning easy. It's in the high rank, which is where your endgame is in the title. So being as he is, he's actually about as challenging as he would be for new players playing MHW for the first time. He's not meant to be a push over. He's the king of the skies. As for all you veterans, I'm not talking about you lol. You know Rath like you know Zinogre and Nergigante and Black Diablos or the pickle lol.

[Wiccan026]

And this is exactly what the post was about. I can understand that not everyone will be able to clear the content right away. It's still new. I wouldn't put too much thought and stress into it. By your logic in the way it was described on the original post, nobody should be playing video games whatsoever. But games will still need to have a challenge, and players overcoming that challenge if they want to reap the rewards. Not ALL of it has to be savage, mind you, but give players a reason to improve and overcome to achieve the original objective. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this isn't meant to be cleared day 1. But some players were able to adapt and figure strategies all on their own, and continue on farm. That's what content is meant to bring. Still enjoyable, but not face roll worthy. Hopefully with some luck and time, you continue to stay with it, and get better, and get that mount. That's what matters most.

I'm going based off of what challenge Monster Hunter World fans faced with Rathalos in the MHW title. As the monster is not a low rank, meaning easy. It's in the high rank, which is where your endgame is in the title. So being as he is, he's actually about as challenging as he would be for new players playing MHW for the first time. He's not meant to be a push over. He's the king of the skies. As for all you veterans, I'm not talking about you lol. You know Rath like you know Zinogre and Nergigante and Black Diablos or the pickle lol.

I don't disagree with your overall sentiment, again I think this content deserves to be in the game even if I'm personally not going to go for it quite yet.
That being said I do think sometimes people over analyze the situation and read far too much into what a player posts (which is semi understandable, written word doesn't always translate well)... I was accused of being a fearmonger earlier because I said I dislike how the content was set up to make healers "semi-useless" and that the current set up does allow cheese to happen (it was also pointed out that all group compositions were going in there... which I never said they weren't) and I don't think the current set up is "fair" for all the roles and I expressed interest mostly in not wanting to see nerf mechanics in four man content (which I even suggested probably wouldn't since this was more of a Monster Hunter thing) and still with all that I get accused of fear mongering.

Oh well :P

[Elkanah]

I do think sometimes people over analyze the situation and read far too much into what a player posts (which is semi understandable, written word doesn't always translate well)...

I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

They're literally advocating they don't do well with any hard content if it's not MSQ or lower than Extreme. That's not "misreading". That's ignorance. We all knew what the original post was gonna be about and advocating for, before we even clicked on it. It's incredibly obvious in the header. I'm not saying they're wrong, but the cross over event with the correct monster, is meant to be a bit more challenging. People make complaints about this all the time, if it has an extreme or savage mode. Not just endgame raiders, but also the casual and midcore players.

The issue with all you people saying "It's your problem, cause you cant do it." This was supposed to be a cross over event not some extreme trial farm on a time limit. If they want to make harder content make the actual fights harder not the events here for a limited time. Funny seeing all these people defending SE left and right and they fucked up yet again on a cross over event. First one was a grind to hell for stupid looking items and now it's over the top grinding for something that shouldn't even be remotely this hard, this is supposed to be fun not something I need to make get my raid group for.

If they wanted to put a lower level monster like a Great Jagras, I can see that being the argument. However, it's Rathalos. Again, as I've pointed out time and time again, he's a high rank monster in the MHW title. Which means it requires you being a certain level and hunter rank, to get into that content, which is considered endgame, (outside of Arc Tempered). So it's actually pretty overall fair in how he's presented in the game.

I'd also like to note that "this is supposed to be fun not something I need to make get my raid group". I did 50 of these runs. I have passed on savage and most extreme content this year. So I'm playing very casually these days due to work and other interest in games. But I cleared the content with casual DPS players, Casual healers, and casual/hardcore endgame tanks. 50 times. [B]FIFTY[/]. So no, it doesn't require your raid group. It requires competent players who can pay attention.

This is content that does not have a gate lock on time limit. Squeenix has said this multiple times both at E3 during the PLL and in the last patch PLL they discussed. It's not a limited time event. It's here to stay.

They made two versions:
Normal - which allows you to unlock it with the 8 man to get the gear and the music
Or
Extreme - which allows you to unlock the additional minion, 1 piece of music and a mount.

If you cannot do or play the extreme mode, don't. But as you know, just like any other extreme fight, you're gonna need to work for it. Whether it's casual, midcore or endgame. It's extreme. The Armor is the same ilvl as the normal mode. Just allows for dying, similar to the savage content armor.

all we get is a teeny, tiny arena where he can just stick his butt near the edge of the arena and suddenly as melee, you usually have to stop what you are doing when he goes for tail swipe number xxx because that stupid tail can't actually be cut off. (I still have not figured out how to see that stupid hop fireball coming. most of my deaths are from that. UGH)

I can answer this part for you. It's actually a quick pick up, but something you'll see him do specifically. Watch his feet. With being against a wall, stay in FRONT of his left foot. Or, you can stand in the middle of his circle, and avoid the first swipe. Second swipe by staying in front of his left foot. This is a repeated two part mechanic. So when he swings once, he'll swing again. Rathian, Rathalos, Azure Rathalos, Pink Rathian all do this the same in MHW.

As for the fireball, you have to quickly pick it up. When Rathalos is going to fire the fireball from his mouth, you need to get behind him. Easiest way to telegraph this, is if he doesn't use a move for 2-3 seconds and standing very still. His feet also do this thing where he takes a few quick steps back, before he does the fireball animation. As long as you're by his left foot, you can easily get behind him and crunch down on the prevent fireball. Once the fireball happens, he goes in for a swipe to whoever he's looking at during the animation. If he immediately turns to someone, he's gonna fireball while standing still.

[RiyahArp]

They're literally advocating they don't do well with any hard content if it's not MSQ or lower than Extreme.

...I specifically mentioned this so that people would understand I am not saying this because I am a bads and can't do the content. I went and cleared it legit. My point is thatTHIS IS NOT GOOD CONTENT TO BASE FUTURE HARD FOUR MANS ON. I was worried that SE would look at all the "i like it" threads and just copy and paste the ideas to other trials. That's all.

That I keep getting stuff like this is depressing me.

[Elkanah]

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Both negative and positive feedback, they'll understand. The content is still however very new, and something that FFXIV decided to do by thinking outside the box. They've been playing it safe for too long in what, 8 years? If we're counting the gobshite that was 1.0. They can determine how much of their playerbase is clearing the content, and not clearing, and determine the hit or miss about the event or making it easier for the future/much more challenging. Feedback will be good for the company either way. This is a direction. One of many. Not the end all be all.

[Sigma-Astra]

...I specifically mentioned this so that people would understand I am not saying this because I am a bads and can't do the content. I went and cleared it legit. My point is thatTHIS IS NOT GOOD CONTENT TO BASE FUTURE HARD FOUR MANS ON. I was worried that SE would look at all the "i like it" threads and just copy and paste the ideas to other trials. That's all.

That I keep getting stuff like this is depressing me.

You keep saying it's not good content to base future hard 4 mans and yet provide no other ideas on how to improve it besides saying "It's bad because I don't like the mechanics and SE shouldn't do anymore ideas like this". You're worrying because people like it and find it fun? What? Are people not allow to enjoy this simply because you don't?

That's being selfish.

[Lambdafish]

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

I think people understand your posts, they just don't agree. And by the sounds of it, it's you that doesn't fully understand the difficulty argument within this game. Rath EX is an experimental fight that requires the players to shift their perception while playing. There is a lot more untelegraphed damage, and players are required to move more like an action RPG than this game. That's intentional of the fight, not intentional of 4 man content or any other kind of midcore content in general.

Moving on to your idea of raiders. I think the raiders that you have met are the bad bunch and don't reflect the community as a whole (mainly because the majority of mid to higher end raiders tend to keep to their own FCs/LSs/statics and aren't present in raid finder or party finder). These groups aren't looking for you to perform on ultimate level, as you so believe, they are wanting you to at the very least listen and follow rules. The other day I got called elitist for expecting more from a guy that joined a weekly clear party that hadn't cleared, that's what I'm talking about when I say following rules.