No more content like Rath Extreme, please.

[Penthea]

Then you might need to stop playing with very bad players. FC? Linkshells? It doesn't have to be party finder specifically.

Why are you assuming I am playing with bad players? I didn't even complain about the people I played with nor did I mention their classes. I simply stated some classes have an easier time dodging and maintaining good uptime on a high mobility encounter than others...and this somehow means I play with bad people?

Do you enjoy putting people down so much that you fabricate reasons to do so?

[Elkanah]

Why are you assuming I am playing with bad players? I didn't even complain about the people I played with nor did I mention their classes. I simply stated some classes have an easier time dodging and maintaining good uptime on a high mobility encounter than others...and this somehow means I play with bad people?

Do you enjoy putting people down so much that you fabricate reasons to do so?

It is true that casters might have a little more of an issue than say a brd or mch, which don't have the casting bars anymore (as we've all complained about that in HW), but all jobs have that issue when you break it down. Being too close in melee form or too far, will end in a knock back and insta-kill since it's a two piece mechanic for the most part. Mages far away and casting, would still need to move, as Rath's speed increases with the target being farther (until phase 2). Most of the player base, regardless of casting spells or being too close (drg animation lock is still a big problem or issue that needs fixing), can end badly for the player. You can look at it as a way of saying "one's easier than another", but I've seen enough melee and tanks die to the same mechanics that a blm and rdm or smn dodged, and have less overall DPS.

So yes, bad players. They come in all forms.

[RiyahArp]

So yes, bad players. They come in all forms.

Oh, please. If they added the 3 cart rule to savage you all would hate it. It has nothing to do with bad players, I check the gear of people and I see just as much diamond gear as not. It's more about a low threshold for mistakes per party.

What gets very old about this is that people are defining "bad" as "not top tier" because apparently everything is "Easy." It's like a grandmaster in overwatch complaining about how 90% of the playerbase are bad, but its ludicrous because the real answer is he is very good. He isn't "acceptable," but in this game, if you aren't middle of the pack raiding savage or better, you are apparently bad.

it makes it very frustrating to have decent discussions of difficulty here because there's like the top 10% (and if you clear savage you are probably less than that) assuming the top 10% of play is actually the average instead. So if th top 10% one-shot a trial, they think EVERYONE should be one-shotting it.

I mean, I cleared it. I got my scale and a poogle to boot, but it took me 25 runs or so, and the run we cleared no one was allowed to make a single mistake on phase 2. Everything had to be done perfectly. I even had to run the moment rath resolved after the flames because every time he would lunge at the spot i was.

[Dualgunner]

Oh, please. If they added the 3 cart rule to savage you all would hate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmBDHS3CCo
Please Riyah, tell me what else I would hate. I do so love how you always seem to know how I'd feel.

It has nothing to do with bad players, I check the gear of people and I see just as much diamond gear as not.

Anecdotes now? Your game is weakening.
Besides which, bad players *can* clear Savage. People can buy carries, or get carries from friends for instance; or somebody is just that unimportant in the grand scheme of things since the fights are so overgeared now that people can contribute almost nothing and still get clears.

What gets very old about this is that people are defining "bad" as "not top tier" because apparently everything is "Easy."

That's more like your perception of what people say when they complain about easy content.

it makes it very frustrating to have decent discussions of difficulty here because there's like the top 10% (and if you clear savage you are probably less than that) assuming the top 10% of play is actually the average instead. So if th top 10% one-shot a trial, they think EVERYONE should be one-shotting it.

Whereas you keep assuming that since you don't do savage, every opinion on difficulty you have must be the majority opinion. In other words, I'm calling Sargon's Law on you.

I mean, I cleared it. I got my scale and a poogle to boot, but it took me 25 runs or so, and the run we cleared no one was allowed to make a single mistake on phase 2. Everything had to be done perfectly. I even had to run the moment rath resolved after the flames because every time he would lunge at the spot i was.

Congratulations on clearing it!

[RiyahArp]

Congratulations on clearing it!

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

[Dualgunner]

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

That bridge goes two ways, you need to reach out to try to understand others' points as well.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

There's plenty to congratulate. You had motivation and a goal, and you pursued it. Whatever your motivations, you accomplished your goal, and that's worthy of praise. Good job, you beat Rathalos Extreme. You took on the challenge, and you beat it.

[Elkanah]

I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed.

And this is exactly what the post was about. I can understand that not everyone will be able to clear the content right away. It's still new. I wouldn't put too much thought and stress into it. By your logic in the way it was described on the original post, nobody should be playing video games whatsoever. But games will still need to have a challenge, and players overcoming that challenge if they want to reap the rewards. Not ALL of it has to be savage, mind you, but give players a reason to improve and overcome to achieve the original objective. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this isn't meant to be cleared day 1. But some players were able to adapt and figure strategies all on their own, and continue on farm. That's what content is meant to bring. Still enjoyable, but not face roll worthy. Hopefully with some luck and time, you continue to stay with it, and get better, and get that mount. That's what matters most.

I'm going based off of what challenge Monster Hunter World fans faced with Rathalos in the MHW title. As the monster is not a low rank, meaning easy. It's in the high rank, which is where your endgame is in the title. So being as he is, he's actually about as challenging as he would be for new players playing MHW for the first time. He's not meant to be a push over. He's the king of the skies. As for all you veterans, I'm not talking about you lol. You know Rath like you know Zinogre and Nergigante and Black Diablos or the pickle lol.

[Wiccan026]

And this is exactly what the post was about. I can understand that not everyone will be able to clear the content right away. It's still new. I wouldn't put too much thought and stress into it. By your logic in the way it was described on the original post, nobody should be playing video games whatsoever. But games will still need to have a challenge, and players overcoming that challenge if they want to reap the rewards. Not ALL of it has to be savage, mind you, but give players a reason to improve and overcome to achieve the original objective. Rome wasn't built in a day, and this isn't meant to be cleared day 1. But some players were able to adapt and figure strategies all on their own, and continue on farm. That's what content is meant to bring. Still enjoyable, but not face roll worthy. Hopefully with some luck and time, you continue to stay with it, and get better, and get that mount. That's what matters most.

I'm going based off of what challenge Monster Hunter World fans faced with Rathalos in the MHW title. As the monster is not a low rank, meaning easy. It's in the high rank, which is where your endgame is in the title. So being as he is, he's actually about as challenging as he would be for new players playing MHW for the first time. He's not meant to be a push over. He's the king of the skies. As for all you veterans, I'm not talking about you lol. You know Rath like you know Zinogre and Nergigante and Black Diablos or the pickle lol.

I don't disagree with your overall sentiment, again I think this content deserves to be in the game even if I'm personally not going to go for it quite yet.
That being said I do think sometimes people over analyze the situation and read far too much into what a player posts (which is semi understandable, written word doesn't always translate well)... I was accused of being a fearmonger earlier because I said I dislike how the content was set up to make healers "semi-useless" and that the current set up does allow cheese to happen (it was also pointed out that all group compositions were going in there... which I never said they weren't) and I don't think the current set up is "fair" for all the roles and I expressed interest mostly in not wanting to see nerf mechanics in four man content (which I even suggested probably wouldn't since this was more of a Monster Hunter thing) and still with all that I get accused of fear mongering.

Oh well :P

[Lambdafish]

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

I think people understand your posts, they just don't agree. And by the sounds of it, it's you that doesn't fully understand the difficulty argument within this game. Rath EX is an experimental fight that requires the players to shift their perception while playing. There is a lot more untelegraphed damage, and players are required to move more like an action RPG than this game. That's intentional of the fight, not intentional of 4 man content or any other kind of midcore content in general.

Moving on to your idea of raiders. I think the raiders that you have met are the bad bunch and don't reflect the community as a whole (mainly because the majority of mid to higher end raiders tend to keep to their own FCs/LSs/statics and aren't present in raid finder or party finder). These groups aren't looking for you to perform on ultimate level, as you so believe, they are wanting you to at the very least listen and follow rules. The other day I got called elitist for expecting more from a guy that joined a weekly clear party that hadn't cleared, that's what I'm talking about when I say following rules.

[kikix12]

Blackmages should just use scathe once Rathalos is in the air. Damage is not of much relevance at that point due to how severe the defense buff of his is, just global cooldown skills use. Red Mages have no instant-cast they can keep on using, so saying that Red Mages have more mobility in this fight in particular shows lack of knowledge about Rathalos, despite the information about it being there for a while now.

And while you use Scathe, you can use Aetherial Manipulation to avoid the attacks if at least one party member is out of the way. It's faster than running and an ability so can be used easily between Scathes. With 10sec cooldown it's a joke.

Same with other casters. Aero for White Mage, Bio/Ruin II for Scholar/Summoner and Combust for Astrologian. I'm not really sure that worrying about those 2000-3000 damage between downs is really all that important when the alternative is failing the entire trial...