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    I haven't killed EX yet but I have done a fair few pulls. I have not played any of the Monster Hunter games.

    With the above in mind, the main problem I see is the fight appears to be designed for players who control characters with high mobility. But this is something FFXIV doesn't have. Sprint has a super long cooldown, only some classes have abilities that help them get out of an area fast but they have a long cooldown, and nobody is able to roll. So we're left with little more than basic movement for a fight that very much appears to demand more.

    The mobility issue is amplified by server ticks randomly going against you. There are times I dodge fine, and there are other times I appear to dodge fine but I get hit anyway. I'm hoping this was a latency issue because it was patch day. I rarely have issues dodging anything in this game telegraphed or not, but the server ticks sometimes punished me hard on Rathalos EX.

    I think the idea for the fight is super cool, but it is a bit dull that we tackle 90% of the fight by just running around. Extra buttons to do things like roll and jump would have greatly added to the dynamic that avoidance is key to winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
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    Did it on RDM, no problem. 4 RDM's on top of that. And stack method. Just a matter of players getting better instead of crying foul and too hard. We're not the DOTA 2 and LoL community. Let's keep it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkanah View Post
    Did it on RDM, no problem. 4 RDM's on top of that. And stack method. Just a matter of players getting better instead of crying foul and too hard. We're not the DOTA 2 and LoL community. Let's keep it that way.
    Which illustrates my point because rdm has amazing mobility. They have a very distinct advantage over any other caster classes.

    I'm not sure what DOTA and LoL have to do with this though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
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    Their communities cry over the littlest thing, rather than learning to adapt and play better and get better at the game. Are you kidding me? BLM SS is incredibly high, especially with or without endgame BiS numbers. So high in fact, if you actually do content for 350 stuff, 360 Ridorana and upgraded 60 gear or the current 60 gear HQ crafted (through resistance credits), you shouldn't have a problem with dodging mechanics. Most of the time, you shouldn't even need to use sprint. If you are, that means you're not paying attention well enough to easily see he's looking at you -> run to the side. Instead, players run BEHIND or IN FRONT of the monster. Anyone who's ever run any boss fights, knows standing behind the monster and standing in front of most bosses, are no go zones (except for MNK and SAM who move around, with DRG).

    I do understand it can be difficult, but it's really not. You may need to upgrade your gear if you feel it's too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkanah View Post
    BLM SS is incredibly high, especially with or without endgame BiS numbers. So high in fact, if you actually do content for 350 stuff, 360 Ridorana and upgraded 60 gear or the current 60 gear HQ crafted (through resistance credits), you shouldn't have a problem with dodging mechanics.
    I mostly agree with you, but the one thing that I'm confused on is how BLM spellspeed affects the ability of dodging mechanics. I can't tell if you're insinuating that with enough spellspeed, it's possible to cast and slidecast easier/faster while in the midst of dodging said mechanics (which would be correct, yes) or if you think that with enough spellspeed, a BLM can miraculously start running faster, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    I mostly agree with you, but the one thing that I'm confused on is how BLM spellspeed affects the ability of dodging mechanics. I can't tell if you're insinuating that with enough spellspeed, it's possible to cast and slidecast easier/faster while in the midst of dodging said mechanics (which would be correct, yes) or if you think that with enough spellspeed, a BLM can miraculously start running faster, lol.
    BLM casts aren't bad in terms of speed of the cast bar. If you have high enough SS, dodging mechanics should be almost non existent. If you don't do endgame (or had before), where BLM still required moving pre HW and post SB, you still dodge as much as you continue to cast regardless. You shouldn't need to use sprint most of the time in the fight against rathalos. If you pay attention enough to how he looks at the players, moving side to side and casting shouldn't be an issue. Rathalos Ex is, again, no different than any other Ex fight, in that you still need to move around quite a bit in most scenarios, but you don't complain about those. You just can't see the telegraphed movements. That's all it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkanah View Post
    you shouldn't have a problem with dodging mechanics. Most of the time, you shouldn't even need to use sprint.
    I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Anyone can dodge but some classes are punished more than others for doing that. It's far easier for a rdm to have good uptime on a high mobility fight than a blm. A blm can do it but the skill level required to is far higher than for a rdm. It's laughably easy on a brd or mch. You'd have to play one-handed to be unable to do it on brd and mch. So depending on your group make-up as well as the skill level and gear of the team, the need to dodge may reduce dps uptime very noticeably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    So depending on your group make-up as well as the skill level and gear of the team, the need to dodge may reduce dps uptime very noticeably.
    Then you might need to stop playing with very bad players. FC? Linkshells? It doesn't have to be party finder specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkanah View Post
    Then you might need to stop playing with very bad players. FC? Linkshells? It doesn't have to be party finder specifically.
    Why are you assuming I am playing with bad players? I didn't even complain about the people I played with nor did I mention their classes. I simply stated some classes have an easier time dodging and maintaining good uptime on a high mobility encounter than others...and this somehow means I play with bad people?

    Do you enjoy putting people down so much that you fabricate reasons to do so?
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    The issue with all you people saying "It's your problem, cause you cant do it." This was supposed to be a cross over event not some extreme trial farm on a time limit. If they want to make harder content make the actual fights harder not the events here for a limited time. Funny seeing all these people defending SE left and right and they fucked up yet again on a cross over event. First one was a grind to hell for stupid looking items and now it's over the top grinding for something that shouldn't even be remotely this hard, this is supposed to be fun not something I need to make get my raid group for.
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