No more content like Rath Extreme, please.

[Sigma-Astra]

I didn't say that. I just don't want to see it as a model for hard content in the future. Nerfing was never mentioned. My point is more that it's not good content to base hard four man stuff on because of the gimmicks dominate the fight. I don't want them to say "oh, they like this a lot, hmm...lets do a hard 4 man, but make it a stealth mission! A jumping puzzle!" etc.

Keep in mind that what you want, is not what everyone else wants. You may not like it and that's fine, but unfortunately, the game doesn't cater towards what you like. Personally, it would be interesting to see what else that they can do with 4 people as opposed towards 8 because let's face it...even in 8 player trials, you'll sometimes have 4 people who are dead anyways.

And jumping to hyperbole and grossly unsuited exaggerations like "stealth" and "jumping puzzle" content for a harder 4 man isn't helping your doom and gloom case all that much here.

You asking not to have 4 man content using Rathalos tactics IS saying that you want it nerfed because it's too hard or uncomfortable for you personally. You may not be saying the word "nerf" outright, but you are definitely insinuating it.

[RiyahArp]

You asking not to have 4 man content using Rathalos tactics IS saying that you want it nerfed because it's too hard or uncomfortable for you personally. You may not be saying the word "nerf" outright, but you are definitely insinuating it.

No, i'm saying it because as I look at queing for it as a dps in raid finder, its a 20 min wait. There are only five pf adverts and half are farms, and all are waiting for healers. I'm saying it because all the raid finder parties i've been in have ended in vote abandon (and its not due to any one person; people just make mistakes) Everyone here has a really bad habit of saying "oh, it's easy" when experience tells me no, it's not.

If this is going to be a model for hard content, it's not going to be as successful as you think it is. If you want harder content for four mans, rath is probably the worst model for it because of the three cart rule, and the general mechanics of the fight. I'm doing it as the potential audience for it; the kind of players you want to increase their skills and try hard content in roulette situations, and I'm telling you right now, it's not working as well as intended.

It's more just another ex trial with limitations, than it is harder four man content.

[Sigma-Astra]

No, i'm saying it because as I look at queing for it as a dps in raid finder, its a 20 min wait. There are only five pf adverts and half are farms, and all are waiting for healers. I'm saying it because all the raid finder parties i've been in have ended in vote abandon (and its not due to any one person; people just make mistakes) Everyone here has a really bad habit of saying "oh, it's easy" when experience tells me no, it's not.

If this is going to be a model for hard content, it's not going to be as successful as you think it is. If you want harder content for four mans, rath is probably the worst model for it because of the three cart rule, and the general mechanics of the fight. I'm doing it as the potential audience for it; the kind of players you want to increase their skills and try hard content in roulette situations, and I'm telling you right now, it's not working as well as intended.

It's more just another ex trial with limitations, than it is harder four man content.

Everything you just said is basically you saying in a long, roundabout way that's it's too hard for you and that the three death rule and the mechanics is too much to grasp at a basic, fundamental skill level not only for you, but the choice few people you've collectively seen in PF. Keep in mind that the things you see in PF are not, and I will stress...ARE NOT...a prime example of the entire majority of the fanbase like you think it is. You're saying all of these excuses because of all of the parties and problems you've seen, key word, you, Riyah. Not any one else that you know of, but you. This is a personal you problem....not a grand-scale problem that you're exaggerating it to be right now.

What potential audience could you possibly be? You've complained about other EX trials being too hard, you've complained about Savage being too hard, you've complained about the idea of Savage mode dungeons being too hard, and now you're complaining that Rath EX is too hard. If all of these things are too hard for you, then don't simply do them? Does everything need to be catered to your specifications of difficulty and screw the rest of the people that enjoy it? No. No, it certainly does not.

Find like-minded people to practice with in PF instead of relying on Raid Finder. That was your first mistake and by now, you should know better. No one goes through Raid Finder to practice, they set up learning parties first and if you don't see a learning party, you make one yourself. It's not hard work, you just don't want to take the initiative in setting it up. Any time I want to attempt a new EX whatever, I've gone through PF and either joined or made a learning party myself. I did it for Tsuki until I had her on farm....and I've been sitting on 99 totems for over a month at least by now.

Stop making or finding excuses to limit everything or have it catered towards your personal difficulty specifications. You certainly don't represent the casual fanbase no more than I represent the raiding fanbase.

Saying that it's not working well as intended only means that it's not working for you when clearly, plenty of other people are fine with it.