No more content like Rath Extreme, please.

[RiyahArp]

It's not a fun fight, and many fights have ended in vote abandons because the three strike rule and the single healer is just too punishing.

It's not the speed of the mechanics, its not the lack of telegraphs, it's not even the dodge and no healing of the second phase. It's the fact that three deaths and you are back to start, and its incredibly easy to get those deaths if the healer is the one dead.

In practice it really requires perfect play over 8 minutes,very similar to Feast. And it's not a slow fight, which can intensify this. There is no backup, unlike ex or savage content, so if the healer goes down or is stunned, you may not be able to recover in time. And at the last phase, the healer loses most of the power to compensate for mistakes.

This leads to a very frustrating fight. It's not a matter of skill; I have done runs with people wearing not a few diamond pieces, meaning they do savage. They suffer too. It's just you wind up removing a lot of what makes hard fights in this game tolerable, but you gave us nothing to compensate. No dodge roll, No real debuffing or support class, not many classes who can also esuna, etc.

If you use this as a pattern, it's not going to be good difficulty. And we see people reacting to it by ditching the traditional party and abusing tank's durability, as well as telling others just to wait to outgear it. I've spent a dozen runs watching people just vote abandon at 30 min or more because the fight requires too little mistakes for an MMO. Yes I know MH may have this, but MH also built the game around it and eases you into it over a LOT of hours. This is the first time where the run can really reset so quickly and easily.

I feel like if you want to make difficult fights, you need to really do so within the confines of the game structure. You can't just slap on a requirement for perfect play like that, and end up with imbalanced between jobs as it is. I've seen DPS get one-shot, while tanks eat chains of attacks. People here are doing the same mistake that led to HW; assuming that everyone likes the fight or finds it fun when it's not as cut and dry. Especially in the first week of content, where we don't know how many people will stick with it or not. I already saw 25 min as a DPS queueing for it, only to turn to healer and instapop.

[Nestama]

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure Yoshi-P has said there won't be any other 4-man Extremes in the future. Also the 3 KO rule is entirely because it's a MH fight. Unless SE and Capcom plan on doing another collab, you have nothing to worry about.

I will admit that it's not a very interesting fight and Rathy definitely hits much harder than he does in MHW. Final phase is less interesting than the first phase and people only really wipe to it because of the stack marker (it makes you use Potions because of 'unavoidable' damage. Quotations because tanks can kinda cheese it). I guess latency can screw players over, too.

[RiyahArp]

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure Yoshi-P has said there won't be any other 4-man Extremes in the future. Also the 3 KO rule is entirely because it's a MH fight. Unless SE and Capcom plan on doing another collab, you have nothing to worry about.

He's said a lot o things. I worry he could see the like for rath, think the solution is more punishing four man content based around various gimmicks that require rath-level of play, and then he wonders why it dried out, if it does. The forums seem to really be uncritical about anything as long as it is hard; there's very few people who argue the opposite and they get shouted down a lot.

[Nihility]

dunno, if it was really as bad as you make it out to be the go to 4 warriors party wouldn't be able to do it so easily would they, they have no healing or esuna afterall?
They made up for the no-dodge roll by making his telegraphs like 5 times slower by the way

He's way easier than just about any other extreme trial btw...
probably even byakko

[Luna-M]

Rathalos is designed like he works (or close to) in Monster Hunter World. It's not a indication that the game or combat is going this direction. So OP, calm down.

On that note I think this is one of the most fun fights added to this game so far by a long shot.

[Duskane]

I thought it was fun, id like more interesting and unique extreme trials
"I've seen DPS get one-shot, while tanks eat chains of attacks."
this part made me chuckle like that's pretty much the entire purpose of a tank

Also why are you queuing for a extreme just go on PF like most people for extremes and savage

[RiyahArp]

Also why are you queuing for a extreme just go on PF like most people for extremes and savage

i want to practice the run, with a single lockout, not get locked into some party that wants to do it for hours on end. Raid finder is fine for that. All of the pF parties immediately want to go into farming if they clear it,and it often takes even longer just to get started. There also really isn't that many parties, at least on primal, oddly enough.

dunno, if it was really as bad as you make it out to be the go to 4 warriors party wouldn't be able to do it so easily would they, they have no healing or esuna afterall?...He's way easier than just about any other extreme trial btw...
probably even byakko

Look at the stack mechanic in the second phase. I have seen some dps who still try to stack with the tank when he gets it. The DPS takes 50% HP damage from one hit in a 2 stack; the warrior takes like 15%. its recommend the tank just eat the stack if he gets it, he can mitigate so much. The warriors can survive a stun long enough for poison to wear off, unless they also get kb'e din lava. You heal the warrior last in all phases except the add, and during that the 3x war just save fell cleave to burst him down.

And come on, byakko was nothing like this. I saw enrage first time, and people were saying hard mode might even be as difficult.

[CorbinDallas]

It's really not that bad, people just aren't using the tools available to them. Aside from healers, bards can remove dots, as can caster DPS through the use of Erase. Use them. Yes hey have long cooldowns, but it's better than the healer standing there on the third stack hard casting then immediately taking the poison claw 1 shot.

Have tanks solo the stack. Stay on Rath's left flank for the entirety of phase 1 and his tail on phase 2, it isn't hard. It just takes a little more brainpower than your average fight due to the randomness of target selection. All this fight does is hammer home how bad people are at adapting to new things, and instead of trying to overcome you cry "no more!"

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Meanwhile, on Reddit:



Multiple party comps have either omitted a tank, healer or done other random combinations. Regardless, you're acting like people should get all the mechanics when it's literally been out for two days. Welcome to content with some actual teeth. You can't just come in blind and steamroll it on your first attempt. Twelve forbid you may have to work for a kill.

All that aside, Rathalos is an entirely deceiving fight from what I've heard. You can avoid his attacks in the first phase by hovering around his left foot and keeping on his flanks or rear during phase two. It's going to take practice, just like Tsukiyomi and Shinryu did. They still went down even by casual players.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Dont df extremes even for practice, chances are you get someone who dies in first phase over and over and then you cant train the part you want to. Also if you are in a terrible premade exiting doesnt cost you penalty.

This fight reflects the core of monster hunter. If you die its your fault and considering theres a post of 4 drg killing it that proves that its solely based on skill and not setup.

This is one of those moments were the only tip can be "act faster and cycle "kill" partys till you get your clear" most farm partys are fine.

Theres nothing in this fight thats unfair is solely playerskill and that its no longer on rails and we know which mechanic is coming up ...