So, how is Pagos?

[Aster_E]

But I do converse with the randos I do party with when friends can't play. Theres plenty of time setting up to chain mobs that you can talk and even then if you really wanted to, you could just make your own discord server and invite people to it to talk during chaining.

That's good for you, but it disregards most other people. I'm also fairly certain that I asked you to think about those other people, but you didn't. It's almost like you decided to exclude the thoughts or feelings of others who are unlike you, but that can't be right. Oh no, it most certainly cannot. Let's try this again. Can you put yourself in the shoes of so many other people, and imagine from their perspective, what it's like to be unable to truly converse without tools like Discord when you are trying to keep up a single Exp Chain?

[Souljacker]

I don't know how many former XI team members are on the current XIV team but I think director Yoshida at least is more a fan of Blizzard's WoW style. He was also very critical of Tanaka's XIV v1.

For what it's worth, the hotfix notes mention that they plan to continue adjusting Pagos week by week from here on out. Yesterday's fix reduced enemy HP for the elemental conflicts which is a good start at least. Can do those as filler when you're not busy and get a chance at some loot.

Everyone was critical of XIV v1 - and there was a reason. Did you play it? Tanaka's hands were tied. They wanted him to make the game as unlike XI as possible while still being like enough to XI that we would all switch over. The end result was that his visions were crushed, and we got a steaming pile of trash.

Did YoshiP resurrect it from the ashes? Yes. Is this game better than it was? Yes.

But when they add something and specifically say: "This content is for you, XI players. See here are some familiar mechanics and monsters that you loved from your old game" I expect them to at least have UNDERSTOOD what we liked about XI in those days and not double down on the worst aspects that we complained about for YEARS (and that were eventually fixed). And that means not trashing Tanaka's design, because whether you like it or not, his design was one of the first widely successful mmos.

If YoshiP hates Tanaka's designs so much, then stay out of them because he completely misinterpreted them anyway. Make FFXIV and leave XI far in the distant past, because all he's doing is insulting those of us who remember.

And until my sub runs out and I can't post anymore I will 100% remind everyone of what it was really like back then, because I remember.

As an aside, of all the complaints people have had about Pagos, the one thing they thought NEEDED to be hotfixed right away was the stupid bunny fate? That was their takeaway? SE is completely out of touch. I have no high hopes for the rest of their hotfixes if that was their priority takeaway from our comments, both JP and NA.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Pagos is just bad. Anemos had its issues too mostly with its design not being innovative enough, but at least with anemos after spending sometime in there I always left feeling I accomplished something. Whether it was a good chunk of exp, a bunch of boxes to unlock, capped my tome stones, a noticeable amount of crystals toward a relic, something.

With Pagos I always leave feeling like nothing got done and a crushing sense of how much worse it's going to get. I get maybe 1 or 2 NMs so minimal amount of any reward and like sub 10% of a level for 2 to 3 hours in there. It's just awful.

Edit: the main change I would like to see in there is removing mob tagging. It's just against the overall feel of the game that people who went into the same instance arent working together. Anyone who helps kill a monster in there should get full exp.

[Soupa]

That's good for you, but it disregards most other people. I'm also fairly certain that I asked you to think about those other people, but you didn't. It's almost like you decided to exclude the thoughts or feelings of others who are unlike you, but that can't be right. Oh no, it most certainly cannot. Let's try this again. Can you put yourself in the shoes of so many other people, and imagine from their perspective, what it's like to be unable to truly converse without tools like Discord when you are trying to keep up a single Exp Chain?

Its comments like this why people don't come to the official forums anymore or are content with being banned.

[Velhart]

Pagos is just bad. Anemos had its issues too mostly with its design not being innovative enough, but at least with anemos after spending sometime in there I always left feeling I accomplished something. Whether it was a good chunk of exp, a bunch of boxes to unlock, capped my tome stones, a noticeable amount of crystals toward a relic, something.

With Pagos I always leave feeling like nothing got done and a crushing sense of how much worse it's going to get. I get maybe 1 or 2 NMs so minimal amount of any reward and like sub 10% of a level for 2 to 3 hours in there. It's just awful.

Edit: the main change I would like to see in there is removing mob tagging. It's just against the overall feel of the game that people who went into the same instance arent working together. Anyone who helps kill a monster in there should get full exp.

In all fairness, the issue with Pagos is not necessarily the grind or challenge of obtaining the items. Content should last longer than a week. I personally find the issue lying more in the accessibility of the content and the way said content has been formed that has encouraged players to act in a restrictive manner. I don't really blame the players however. I blame the design. If SE could find better means of accessibility of getting groups together and adjust the chains, then a lot of issues can be resolved.

[Silica-chan]

If you were AFK during the train, that was because you decided to be. Some players had to actually kill mobs and not just leech. One is left to wonder why you might have preferred AFKing to mindlessly grinding mobs...

Well let's be honest most of the time the whole instance was together and mobs died so fast that alot of people coudn't even land a singe attack on them
Also atlast in my experience alot of the people that were accused for being afk were the ones ressing/healing the ones that kill the stuff for the NM spwan. Yes there were people just standing around doing nothing but emotes too but atlast some of them helped ressing others.

One of my favourite parts about the "train" was the acceptance of everyone. Mostly no one complained that a bunch of level 6 or lower people were with us at the high level NMs. besides that I loved the chattyness of the the instance. Everyone was talking, making jokes, telling stories all that good stuff we simply had a nice time together.
Now in Pagos we either have silence or "inv fate", "lfg lv XX", "need res at pos XX"
I'd take the "train" over what we have now anyday. Yes it was flawed but atlast not as boring as it is now. But hey atlast we can do dummy striking for a few hours and get exp in the process so that's nice I guess..? (not for me)

[Hamada]

Its comments like this why people don't come to the official forums anymore or are content with being banned.

No, the opposite, people are not replying to you, with your comments is why people fear being banned. I find it funny you still refuse to address the main point of that post, and you call others toxic?

[Vnolan]

New problem. Reached the high levels and it seems the Anubys type enemy is very lucrative for exp/light because it has a high rate of mutation and a chance to drop cold-warped lockboxes. But that area is busy and when I tried to form my own party and find a space to work, an aggressive tank from another group came and stole it away from me and ran it back to his group. Some people are keeping a monopoly on the fastest progression methods and there's not very good options for other people. We could try to leech on the other group's enemy chains and cause them to receive an exp penalty and argue over it, or I can move my group to a less rewarding spot but this time they were not interested and we disbanded. *sigh*

Had a similar situation but it was because the other party didn't know we were saving the mutation for chain 30. After we explained what we were doing they didn't bother us. There are more Anubys mobs in the caves below past the Vouivres.

The majority of people elected to join the train or AFK outright than chain grind mobs, i.e., doing literally nothing was more appealing than grinding trash mobs.

Not surprising. Nisi sac, skip soar, tank lb on byakko, ghost cheese, third-party applications for nael's lines and gaols or just third-party applications in general, requiring one or both dps having a res for hoh, no dupes in pf when loot isn't a factor: If the player is presented with an easier option, they'll take it. Players have already cheesed louhi. If a method was found to cheese the pagos grind, many of the complaints you see now would go away. We know this because that's exactly what happened with anemos.

[ximxim]

Good grief... leveling in Pagos for lower level seems impossible... so, I just go back to Anemos doing NM train until EL 22, and after that going back to Pagos and it's still hard to find a group because most of them already at high level EL (including my guildies).

-story from a "late bloomer" in Eureka land-

[Claviusnex]

Well i decided to cancel my sub for now, there is not much else for me to do atm anyway so i might as well play something from my backlog till they fix this mess.

I'm just waiting for my house to demo so I can collect my gil and am planning to cancel my sub at that point. This most recent patch confirmed to me SE has no intention of doing more than the minimum needed to call what they release a patch and any thought about providing story or decent quests are long gone.