So, how is Pagos?

[Pinkie_Pie]

Here's even the worse matter, the weapon after this LOOOOOOOOOOONG grind is only 370, Suzu weapon is 385 and the savage weapons are 405, the tome weapon is 390.

W. T. F.

I have only 4 total crystals to do my 10 crystal turn in and then I GOTTA get next 16. This has taken me 2 weeks to do this with my playing schedule of 3 hours a day. There aren't really any mobs you can solo that can give good light NOR give you cold boxes. unless you are in a group of 4. Nerf this content before we *casuals* are stuck in pagos while everyone moves on to pyros who grinded their relic hardcore T_T

[Deceptus]

Here's even the worse matter, the weapon after this LOOOOOOOOOOONG grind is only 370, Suzu weapon is 385 and the savage weapons are 405, the tome weapon is 390.

W. T. F.

I have only 4 total crystals to do my 10 crystal turn in and then I GOTTA get next 16. This has taken me 2 weeks to do this with my playing schedule of 3 hours a day. There aren't really any mobs you can solo that can give good light NOR give you cold boxes. unless you are in a group of 4. Nerf this content before we *casuals* are stuck in pagos while everyone moves on to pyros who grinded their relic hardcore T_T

Luckily you don't have to have the relic "finished" to do Pyros or a LOT of folks wouldn't be in there.

[Reynhart]

Luckily you don't have to have the relic "finished" to do Pyros or a LOT of folks wouldn't be in there.

You have to to obtain the Pyros weapon, though. And you'll need the Pyros weapon for the final weapon, which will be the better weapon of the game.

[Pinkie_Pie]

You have to to obtain the Pyros weapon, though. And you'll need the Pyros weapon for the final weapon, which will be the better weapon of the game.

You are assuming it will be a better weapon.

They said its better in *EUREKA* with bonus stats... WHILE in eureka...

[Reynhart]

You are assuming it will be a better weapon.
They said its better in *EUREKA* with bonus stats... WHILE in eureka...

I'm assuming that it will follow the same trend as the Zodiac and the Anima, meaning that the final ilvl of the Eureka weapon will be on par with Savage, before taking into account the better itemization since you will be able to choose the secondary stats.

As for the value :

•The secondaries that go above item level formulas allow will also be usable outside Eureka

Is this a translation mistake from here ?

[Solarra]

Luckily you don't have to have the relic "finished" to do Pyros or a LOT of folks wouldn't be in there.

But without the Pagos weapon to upgrade will there be any point in going into Pyros? And since the relic is coming so late in the expansion, is it really going to be worth going to all the effort to get it?
For me, the answer to both those questions is, 'No'.

Like others, I think the damage may be too great at this point. The people who really, really wanted their relic have got it and left, with the result that Pagos is even less viable due to the low number of people in there. Without significant changes to Pagos and higher participation from players (who can now get much better weapons elsewhere), I think Pyros is going to be dead on arrival.