So, how is Pagos?

[BillyKaplan]

I'll go with "remove rng from light gain". Then even if everything gave you minimal light (don't do this) you know how many enemies you need to grind and every enemy is a guaranteed contribution. You can go five minutes into Pagos and still make it worth your while because you made tangible progress, which is what turned a lot of people off from the content to begin with.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Here's even the worse matter, the weapon after this LOOOOOOOOOOONG grind is only 370, Suzu weapon is 385 and the savage weapons are 405, the tome weapon is 390.

W. T. F.

I have only 4 total crystals to do my 10 crystal turn in and then I GOTTA get next 16. This has taken me 2 weeks to do this with my playing schedule of 3 hours a day. There aren't really any mobs you can solo that can give good light NOR give you cold boxes. unless you are in a group of 4. Nerf this content before we *casuals* are stuck in pagos while everyone moves on to pyros who grinded their relic hardcore T_T

[Deceptus]

Here's even the worse matter, the weapon after this LOOOOOOOOOOONG grind is only 370, Suzu weapon is 385 and the savage weapons are 405, the tome weapon is 390.

W. T. F.

I have only 4 total crystals to do my 10 crystal turn in and then I GOTTA get next 16. This has taken me 2 weeks to do this with my playing schedule of 3 hours a day. There aren't really any mobs you can solo that can give good light NOR give you cold boxes. unless you are in a group of 4. Nerf this content before we *casuals* are stuck in pagos while everyone moves on to pyros who grinded their relic hardcore T_T

Luckily you don't have to have the relic "finished" to do Pyros or a LOT of folks wouldn't be in there.

[Reynhart]

Luckily you don't have to have the relic "finished" to do Pyros or a LOT of folks wouldn't be in there.

You have to to obtain the Pyros weapon, though. And you'll need the Pyros weapon for the final weapon, which will be the better weapon of the game.

[Pinkie_Pie]

You have to to obtain the Pyros weapon, though. And you'll need the Pyros weapon for the final weapon, which will be the better weapon of the game.

You are assuming it will be a better weapon.

They said its better in *EUREKA* with bonus stats... WHILE in eureka...

[Reynhart]

You are assuming it will be a better weapon.
They said its better in *EUREKA* with bonus stats... WHILE in eureka...

I'm assuming that it will follow the same trend as the Zodiac and the Anima, meaning that the final ilvl of the Eureka weapon will be on par with Savage, before taking into account the better itemization since you will be able to choose the secondary stats.

As for the value :

•The secondaries that go above item level formulas allow will also be usable outside Eureka

Is this a translation mistake from here ?

[Solarra]

Luckily you don't have to have the relic "finished" to do Pyros or a LOT of folks wouldn't be in there.

But without the Pagos weapon to upgrade will there be any point in going into Pyros? And since the relic is coming so late in the expansion, is it really going to be worth going to all the effort to get it?
For me, the answer to both those questions is, 'No'.

Like others, I think the damage may be too great at this point. The people who really, really wanted their relic have got it and left, with the result that Pagos is even less viable due to the low number of people in there. Without significant changes to Pagos and higher participation from players (who can now get much better weapons elsewhere), I think Pyros is going to be dead on arrival.

[Hyperia]

I'm starting to think that the damage is done and it may be unrecoverable at this point after talking to friends and others.

When they first released Anemos, it was an unforgiving, unfun grindfest that was only saved by players who figured out how to create the FATE train. Then the content started to become enjoyable and fun, even though that was not what the devs intended. I made many new friends and had so much fun that I forgot about how bad Eureka's start was, I eventually started to spend all my playtime in Eureka. It truly wonderful.

Then came Pagos...

I went in with optimism and enthusiasm thinking that we were going to have another fun ride on the FATE train only to encounter the cold, harsh relativity of what Pagos really was. The devs enforced their view of what Eureka should be and worked hard to prevent the FATE train using some of the meanest traps I have seen in this game. Players cried out that this was not what we wanted and then the number of players started to plummeted. Yoshi ordered an immediate tripling of FATE EXP to try and perform some emergency damage control but upon hitting 35 and finding a gigantic light grind wall, many lost hope and gave up. Patch 4.4 essentially finished it off and while they realize what has happened and are promising to make things better... I feel its too late. Too many of us are blocked by Pagos and the intense desire to never step foot in there again due to all of the bad memories and hard feelings encountered there.

Even if Pyros is a relic under every bed and so awesome that fireworks go off every night, I feel that Pagos will always be there, saying "this far and no farther". This is the danger of chained content, one bad link and its all over, even if the ending is magnificent. SE, your steadfast insistence that we grind in an unforgiving, unfriendly and harsh zone has broken my desire to continue in Eureka.

[Ramesses]

Even if Pyros is a relic under every bed and so awesome that fireworks go off every night, I feel that Pagos will always be there, saying "this far and no farther". This is the danger of chained content, one bad link and its all over, even if the ending is magnificent. SE, your steadfast insistence that we grind in an unforgiving, unfriendly and harsh zone has broken my desire to continue in Eureka.

My sentiments as well... and the real remedy will be to give us an alternative method in which to progress with our relics, That they have gated the relics behind Pagos is what infuriates me the most.

[Alleo]

Even if Pyros is a relic under every bed and so awesome that fireworks go off every night, I feel that Pagos will always be there, saying "this far and no farther". This is the danger of chained content, one bad link and its all over, even if the ending is magnificent. SE, your steadfast insistence that we grind in an unforgiving, unfriendly and harsh zone has broken my desire to continue in Eureka.

Thats my problem with this too. At least with Diadem you did not need the first version (as far as I can remember) to get into the second one, yet here, if somehow the next or the last Eureka part will be fantastic, then that would still mean that people have to go through the older parts to get there. Which would be quite a lot of hours..and thats without the relic weapons. Now the second question: Why would I even do this content if its not for the relic weapon? Because it only exists for that sole reason. (And at least for me, mounts or minions are not a good carrot on the stick for this content) So to make it even worth the time you still would need to at least do one relic thus who knows how many hours in total..and that for a casual relic..

At least the old ones are all still there to do, even if most people wont do it. Will it be even possible to finish this relic if most people have done theirs and are doing the content of the next expansion?