So, how is Pagos?

[Aster_E]

You know what? Eureka as a whole isn't enough to make me quit the game entirely, but Pagos, as it stands, might be enough to make me quit achievement hunting, and only ever resub every other month to stay up to date with content (and maybe a little bit with gear), as well as keep my house whilst spending time with friends who still play. Seriously, fuck this "side content" that Yoshi more or less used as a selling point of Stormblood.

If I wanted a poor man's XI, or any version of XI, I would go play XI. Just like in Heavensward with cast bars on Bards (and Mch too I suppose); if I wanted to play something with a cast bar then I would have played a caster, such as Smn or Blm. Please, SE, stop trying to make any part of XIV akin to XI. I like XIV largely because it isn't XI. Just... ugh.

Bad form, Yoshi.

[Velhart]

I guess the systems are working as intended and don't think any concepts are necessarily broken. This just does not look fun at all. Also despite the grinding in previous relic quests this game had, it at least still let me go at my own pace. I feel like I am depending on the pace of multiple people to get stuff done. Or better to say, at least the previous relic quests were consistent with FFXIV's philosophy of game design. This expansion's relic quest seems to go against that level of consistency of design. I know it is an MMO, but I believe in general this is bad game design.

[CassandraJean]

I miss the old relics...

I'm almost to level 30, and the grind is awful.
Non-stop monster grinding is starting to make my wrists ache, a friend of mine with carpal tunnel can't even do it. But every time I take a break and idle a little to eat and rest- people make me feel bad and consider me an afk'er and moocher. Just because I need to rest my hands and want to sit and talk with my friends for a little while (since talking is impossible when you are constantly chaining monsters desperately trying to reach that 30 chain)

When a friend of mine finally was able to try Pagos (they weren't able to get time off until this weekend) our level gap was so huge that I couldn't even attempt to help her with any content. I couldn't help her with her challenge log, and even if we weren't in the same party and I tried to back her up, she would get no credit or exp. NM are so spread out that it's now hard to reach one in time if you were anywhere else on the map grinding monsters. And yet, despite SE's obvious attempt to stop the fate train, they tied relics to Fates anyway. So we have to do it, but also it's much harder.

It's overall just very frustrating.

[MilesElric]

I'm sorry but Pagos is just horrible and there's really nothing fun about it. There's not much else to say since all the reasons have been stated at this point.

[Aster_E]

Every time I do see someone, though, who says unironically that they like Pagos, I just shake my head at them. I mean, I know different strokes for different folks, and some people like terrible, terrible things, but come on.

[Zsolen]

Every time I do see someone, though, who says unironically that they like Pagos, I just shake my head at them. I mean, I know different strokes for different folks, and some people like terrible, terrible things, but come on.

I like it.

[Liam_Harper]

I can't even bring myself to just do all the challenge log once a week. Got about halfway through and couldn't endure any more :l

[Deceptus]

I can't even bring myself to just do all the challenge log once a week. Got about halfway through and couldn't endure any more :l

Do them in Anemos. They're infinitely easier to complete because the mobs don't have inflated HP pools.

[Ilyrian]

So... this might be against the tide but I'm not totally against it.

I have a lot of issues with this game - a lot - but this, as a general bit of content I can almost see where they're coming from.

I have put a bit of time into it - and remember we are only talking about the first week - but I have seen some positives.

If playing to (in my opinion) the most efficient way; you are made to form groups and spend at least a few hours with them.

The Fate Train may be a thing (or at least its in the early stages) but ultimately you are put into the position to make alliances with strangers which, in my opinion, is not a bad thing. I have spent some good hours healing and even DPSing some mobs chains. Resing strangers, talking to people; things that I don't get blindly running the same DF dungeon daily.

If you are not a Savage raider - or even if you are - there is nothing to do in this game at this point. This at least provides something that, in theory, will last you for a bit.

Do I think it's great game design.. no. Do I think it's the best we have.. yup.

[Rokke]

Do I think it's great game design.. no. Do I think it's the best we have.. yup.

Mindless grinding being the best content we have is a accurate description of the current state of XIV.